[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

What's going on with Poilievre and the Conservatives?

Have they made any statements of substance on... you know, all this... Greenland? NATO? Canada's place in the world?

Secondly - is Poilievre on track to win the impending leadership review?

Poilièvre congratulated Trump for his raid on Venezuela then went radio silent after he announced the US would be running the country (and subsequently told every US citizen to GTFO).

Later he Tweeted (or Xed?) the polar opposite about Greenland:

It is unacceptable for the U.S. to seize the territory of a sovereign country, including by threatening tariffs on other NATO countries. Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark and we support its territorial integrity. Conservatives support NATO and Canada's obligations as a NATO member. Canada should strengthen the NATO alliance and rebuild our own forces in the Arctic to combat threats also coming from China and Russia and to protect our seas, skies and soil.

Didn't Canada just seriously wargame a scenario where the US invades and how the Canadians would respond militarily?

There's an old plan from the 1930s.  I've seen nothing serious about it.

[HVC]

Two French leaders greet each other

I like Carney, he has an easy going personality but is still assertive when required. He's the personification of the Canadian stereotype

[mongers]

Two French leaders greet each other




I like Carney, he has an easy going personality but is still assertive when required. He's the personification of the Canadian stereotype

Yes, we he was very level-headed when he was the Governor of the Bank of England. 

[crazy canuck]

Trump said Canada"lives" because of the United States.

He is right but for a reason he does not comprehend. Canada exists because the founders of Canada did not want to become part of the US.

[Valmy]

Who is going to stop Canada from living besides the United States? We are their only significant threat. So unless he is directly threatening them with war, I am not sure what he is trying to get them to see. Canada is not Taiwan or something.

[crazy canuck]

Our historic adversary, Russia. The only difference now is he made clear the US joins that group.

[viper37]

Meanwhile in the hot US tourist spots where they don't need Canada, where Canada has nothing to offer, everything's going well.

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CAN$ at par with US$ until August and a 500$ gambling credit in the casino for your stay.

The owner is (was?) a big Trump supporter. 

[Grey Fox]

A lot less proud of Carney after that speech on the Plaine d'Abraham. The RoC remains the same smug ass in denying that it was a conquest followed by 200 years of trying to assimilate us.

Fucking Christ.

[Jacob]

I watched the speech also. I took the message to be essentially "it started as conquest, but since then we've managed to make it something better, a partnership."

Is that narrative obnoxious to you by itself, or did I miss some other point?

[Grey Fox]

That would be obnoxious by it selft but it's not what he said. He framed the entire situation as if Canadiens of the time chose to be conquered.

« Les plaines d'Abraham symbolisent un champ de bataille, et aussi le lieu où le Canada a commencé à faire le choix historique de privilégier l'adaptation plutôt que l'assimilation, le partenariat plutôt que la domination, la collaboration plutôt que la division. »

Adaptation over assimilation. Fat chance of that, until the quiet revolution assimilation was the objective.

Partnership over domination. Are you kidding me here, Mark? Decades after decades of treating francophones has 2nd class citizens. The federal government put Montreal's mayor in jail for 4 years without a trial, ffs.

Collaboration over division. We're still pretty divided.

[Jacob]

Thanks!

I took a different intended message from that passage and the section it was part of, though I may well have been projecting my own bias on to it (and I listened to it being simultaneously translated into English for what that's worth).

I don't think Carney intended to say that Quebec desired to be conquered - but he may have said so nonetheless

Certainly, I'm seeing plenty of reactions from Quebec in line with yours, so whether Carney meant it or not it seems he messed up.

[Bauer]

Probably a language gaffe.

[Bauer]

And in other news:

Dear Prime Minister Carney: Please let this Letter serve to represent that the Board of Peace is withdrawing its invitation to you regarding Canada's joining, what will be, the most prestigious Board of Leaders ever assembled, at any time,[\quote]

[viper37]

A lot less proud of Carney after that speech on the Plaine d'Abraham. The RoC remains the same smug ass in denying that it was a conquest followed by 200 years of trying to assimilate us.

Fucking Christ.

I'm not as outraged as Blanchet - well, I am not outraged, but, it's clear we are having a moment of two solitudes again.

But he's not denying it was a conquest, he clearly states so.  The assimilation attempt is glossed over by simpler, less damaging words.  They're still there under the "struggle" umbrella.

But yea, it's anglo history.  Kumbaya and all that.

[viper37]

That would be obnoxious by it selft but it's not what he said. He framed the entire situation as if Canadiens of the time chose to be conquered.

« Les plaines d'Abraham symbolisent un champ de bataille, et aussi le lieu où le Canada a commencé à faire le choix historique de privilégier l'adaptation plutôt que l'assimilation, le partenariat plutôt que la domination, la collaboration plutôt que la division. »

Adaptation over assimilation. Fat chance of that, until the quiet revolution assimilation was the objective.

Partnership over domination. Are you kidding me here, Mark? Decades after decades of treating francophones has 2nd class citizens. The federal government put Montreal's mayor in jail for 4 years without a trial, ffs.

Collaboration over division. We're still pretty divided.

That's Blanchet's interpretation and I strongly disagree with this.

That's not what the speech said about the Conquest.  He picked a bad, symbolic spot for sure and his speech was the one of an English Canadian economist who spent times studying international finance, economy, business governance and has been away from the country for years.  Basically, a dude surrounded by Liberals.

Anyway.  I didn't pinch my nose and vote the guy to flatter nationalistic sensibilities.  I voted for the Libs to do exactly what he's been doing: make trade deals to diversify our economy.  I could have done without the repelling of all environmental regulations to please buy Alberta though.