[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Grey Fox]

Don't just use the England/UK name of wars!

[Valmy]

Don't just use the England/UK name of wars!

They are actually the US names for them. I think the Brits call them the Nine Years War, War of Spanish Succession, War of Austrian Succession, and Seven Years War.

[Grey Fox]

Christ, that's even worse.

[Valmy]

I will note the French refer to them in the rather un-evocative utilitarian titles: la première guerre intercoloniale, la deuxième guerre intercoloniale, and la troisième guerre intercoloniale. Oh and the rather evocative: la guerre de la Conquête

But I will do this in the context of the way the Québécois refer to the revolt as la guerre des Patriotes rather than the rather un-evocative and utilitarian Revolt of Upper and Lower Canada

[Malthus]

I will note the French refer to them in the rather un-evocative utilitarian titles: la première guerre intercoloniale, la deuxième guerre intercoloniale, and la troisième guerre intercoloniale. Oh and the rather evocative: la guerre de la Conquête

But I will do this in the context of the way the Quebecois refer to the revolt as la guerre des Patriotes rather than the rather un-evocative and utilitarian Revolt of Upper and Lower Canada

Question for the room: does la guerre des Patriotes refer to both? I don't actually know, but I've usually heard it used in reference to the revolt of Lower Canada.

[Valmy]

Question for the room: does la guerre des Patriotes refer to both? I don't actually know, but I've usually heard it used in reference to the revolt of Lower Canada.

Um...I don't yet know those sorts of details that is why I am looking for sources

My birthday is July 17th so it is not like I have read up much on this beyond what I know generally.

I just thought it was funny that Quebec has such a passionate and emotional name for this conflict while the rest of Canada does not.

[Malthus]

Um...I don't yet know those sorts of details that is why I am looking for sources

I don't either - I'm just curious, and figured someone here might know.

[Grey Fox]

We call La guerre des Patriotes / Révoltes des Patriotes for the Lower Canada one. Upper Canada is Rébellion du Haut-Canada. Together : Les Rébellions de 1837.

But, I'm no historian.

[Malthus]

We call La guerre des Patriotes / Révoltes des Patriotes for the Lower Canada one. Upper Canada is Rébellion du Haut-Canada. Together : Les Rébellions de 1837.

But, I'm no historian.

Thanks! That fits with what I have heard.

[Malthus]

I just thought it was funny that Quebec has such a passionate and emotional name for this conflict while the rest of Canada does not.

That actually makes perfect sense, though. It was a much more significant event for Quebec than for the rest of Canada.

In Upper Canada, the revolt was mostly a reaction to public corruption (the "Family Compact" ran the province like a private fiefdom); the rebels were certainly inspired by republicanism, but the depth of republican fervour was questionable, and the rebels easily dispersed. The following years saw many of the rebels demands actually met; the Durham Report (the recommendations after the revolts) recommended reforms that addressed many of their grievances.

In contrast, while the revolt in Lower Canada was also in part spurred by corruption, they had a much deeper and more lasting set of grievances - they felt their language, culture and religion were being stomped underfoot. The revolt was much more serious and harder to put down. The Durham Report justified all of those fears, essentially recommending the forced assimilation of the people of Quebec. 

Thus, the outcome was totally different for the two colonies: for Upper Canada, the outcome was largely positive - a spur to self-government (eventually ... London didn't approve of this aspect of the plan for many years); in Lower Canada, the outcome was largely negative - the government more set than ever on eroding the position of Francophone colonists. Resistance to this was to last for more than a century.

[Grey Fox]

It's still going on.

[Zoupa]

Amen.

[viper37]

I will note the French refer to them in the rather un-evocative utilitarian titles: la première guerre intercoloniale, la deuxième guerre intercoloniale, and la troisième guerre intercoloniale. Oh and the rather evocative: la guerre de la Conquête

But I will do this in the context of the way the Québécois refer to the revolt as la guerre des Patriotes rather than the rather un-evocative and utilitarian Revolt of Upper and Lower Canada

Guerre de la Ligue d'Augsbourg
Guerre de la Succession d'Espagne
Guerre de Succession d'Autriche
Guerre de Sept Ans.

Guerre des Patriotes covers 1837-38 for Lower Canada, even though '38 was slightly different and more inspired by events worldwide.

[Valmy]

Guerre des Patriotes covers 1837-38 for Lower Canada, even though '38 was slightly different and more inspired by events worldwide.

Tell me more

[crazy canuck]

It is interesting to see how this is taught based on what region of the country you are in.  Out here in BC we were of course taught about the rebellions and the Durham Report, but it was all a prelude to the important stuff - BC almost becoming part of the US and the efforts to make BC part of confederation.  Not to mention the Pig War