The Great Union-Busting Thread

[Barrister]

They do?

With state & federal budgets the way they are, voters are starting to pay more attention to government expenditures.

I'd say the voters anger is being misdirected. The various governments are running a great campaign of bait and switch. They have everyone starting to focus on public sector employees as the cause of all the woe and taxes when the reality is that public sector employees make up a small percentage of most budgets.

Education (not salaries) and Welfare are out of control. The government has done a masterful job of defocusing people from the real budget issue.

You got any proof of that?  I think you're wrong on all counts - public sector salaries are a significant portion of government spending, AND education (excluding salaries) and even more so welfare are not out of control.

[Caliga]

They've got to be... the main expense for nearly every company I'm familiar with is payroll, so I'm not sure why state government wouldn't also have a huge payroll burden.

[Strix]

They've got to be... the main expense for nearly every company I'm familiar with is payroll, so I'm not sure why state government wouldn't also have a huge payroll burden.

How many companies are you familiar with that provide free medical insurance, housing, heating, food, spending money, and other associated costs?

[Strix]

They do?

With state & federal budgets the way they are, voters are starting to pay more attention to government expenditures.

I'd say the voters anger is being misdirected. The various governments are running a great campaign of bait and switch. They have everyone starting to focus on public sector employees as the cause of all the woe and taxes when the reality is that public sector employees make up a small percentage of most budgets.

Education (not salaries) and Welfare are out of control. The government has done a masterful job of defocusing people from the real budget issue.

You got any proof of that?  I think you're wrong on all counts - public sector salaries are a significant portion of government spending, AND education (excluding salaries) and even more so welfare are not out of control.

Well, you can check out this website for starters http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2011_NY_statelocal!

The cost for General Government was $6.2 Billion and $22.1 Billion for Protection (prisons, courts, police, etc).

The cost for Education was $66 Billion and $23.4 Billion for Welfare. Tack on the health costs associated with Medicaid for Welfare and that is another $34.8 Billion.

You do the math. 

[The Brain]

Public union members only cost 23.4 bn?

[DGuller]

Well, you can check out this website for starters http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2011_NY_statelocal!

The cost for General Government was $6.2 Billion and $22.1 Billion for Protection (prisons, courts, police, etc).

The cost for Education was $66 Billion and $23.4 Billion for Welfare. Tack on the health costs associated with Medicaid for Welfare and that is another $34.8 Billion.

You do the math. 

Is education and protection done by robots in New York?

[Strix]

Well, you can check out this website for starters http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2011_NY_statelocal!

The cost for General Government was $6.2 Billion and $22.1 Billion for Protection (prisons, courts, police, etc).

The cost for Education was $66 Billion and $23.4 Billion for Welfare. Tack on the health costs associated with Medicaid for Welfare and that is another $34.8 Billion.

You do the math. 

Is education and protection done by robots in New York?

Can you read?

[Strix]

Public union members only cost 23.4 bn?

Good one. 

[DGuller]

Well, you can check out this website for starters http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2011_NY_statelocal!

The cost for General Government was $6.2 Billion and $22.1 Billion for Protection (prisons, courts, police, etc).

The cost for Education was $66 Billion and $23.4 Billion for Welfare. Tack on the health costs associated with Medicaid for Welfare and that is another $34.8 Billion.

You do the math. 

Is education and protection done by robots in New York?

Can you read?

Words, yes.  Minds, no.  Can you state your point more clearly, rather than throwing out the numbers without explaining them?

[Strix]

Words, yes.  Minds, no.  Can you state your point more clearly, rather than throwing out the numbers without explaining them?

I understand your problem. When you ape the behaviors and beliefs of others it can be difficult to think for yourself.

It's why we love you, Monkey Rider!!

[Habbaku]

Give up now, DG.  You can't debate that which cannot be debated.

[garbon]

Give up now, DG.  You can't debate that which cannot be debated.

[Strix]

Give up now, DG.  You can't debate that which cannot be debated.

Do you drink the kool-aid straight from the cup? Or do you get enough swallowing Berkut's load?

[Habbaku]

   The originality continues.

[Admiral Yi]

I'll see if I can get some results with slightly better manners.

Don't you think the "Education" number is primarily teachers' salaries?