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Started by Eddie Teach, March 06, 2011, 09:29:27 AM

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Threviel

Yeah, it's just what I felt and I have a hard time to really describe why. It just feels bad. As I said, I want my fantasy to be realisticish. There should have been a small fire perhaps? Go look at what a 14th century farm village inn interior looks like. Oil is expensive and probably would rather become food, torches useless, candles rare. Folks went to sleep when the sun went down.

They burned whales in 19th century London, where would a 14th century farmer get oil even? They sure as hell didn't burn the fat off their food.

So yeah, it's a movie, have some candles and even some torches lit outside of in daytime, sets some mood and so on. But don't light up a village inn like it's Disneyland, it ruins my mood and very much breaks my immersio at least.

I've not read all of them but I did really enjoy them about 25 or so years ago.

Lan, IIRC, was a bad ass knightly warrior and I imagined him as a knight, with armour and stuff. But I could very well be imagining wrong. A warrior guardian of a mighty sorceress ought perhaps to be armoured somewhat at least.

Threviel

Also, 50 oil wicks would soot the place completely black in about two weeks.

grumbler

Quote from: Threviel on October 18, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Also, 50 oil wicks would soot the place completely black in about two weeks.

I think that you are going to find things in the series even more unrealistic than that the tavern wasn't sooty enough.
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Threviel

Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2021, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: Threviel on October 18, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Also, 50 oil wicks would soot the place completely black in about two weeks.

I think that you are going to find things in the series even more unrealistic than that the tavern wasn't sooty enough.

Well, yeah, but the magical stuff is not an immersion problem, it's a fantasy series after all.

Also, if you have a society where some rare women grow up to be medicinal women with special powers, it's probably a spectacularly bad idea to test that special power by throwing them to their deaths from a cliff. Bam, you just killed a lot of women for no good reason at all.

I don't really know why I'm talking and thinking about this, the only reason I mentioned it is because it scared me with regards to LotR-series.

Savonarola

Corpse Bride (2005)

The parts set in the :unsure: prime material plane :unsure: are well done - they draw inspiration from Edward Gorey's work and look weird and unsettling.  The parts set in the netherworld are an uninspired rip-off of Tim Burton movies; which is odd since Tim Burton is co-director and co-writer of the film.

;)

This is still fun, though a bit short (one hour and seventeen minutes) and lacking in story.
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Josephus

Looks like the ubiquitous Gillian Anderson will be in the next season of The Great, playing Catharine's mother.   :)
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Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2021, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: Threviel on October 18, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Also, 50 oil wicks would soot the place completely black in about two weeks.

I think that you are going to find things in the series even more unrealistic than that the tavern wasn't sooty enough.

To wit:

Quote from: Threviel on October 18, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
a mighty sorceress

I'm entirely unfamiliar with these books, but any culture capable of mighty sorcery should have a decent shot of figuring out table lighting without excess soot.
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Sheilbh

Gagarine. Realy wonderful French film - a little bit of space age magic realism in the banlieue.

Worth seeing in the cinema because there's some really beautiful shots and great sound design/soundtrack.
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Maladict

Wolf Hall did period lighting very well, I thought.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Maladict on October 18, 2021, 04:18:51 PM
Wolf Hall did period lighting very well, I thought.
It caused a flood of complaints for the BBC - same as Taboo around the same time. I think it was a BBC thing in period dramas for a while. People got furious that it was too dark to see what was going on and that the actors were mumbling :lol:
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Habbaku

I really enjoy historical, natural lighting, but I could definitely do without whatever microphones they had in the Tudor period.
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Berkut

They don't use historical, natural lighting in shows or movies set in todays time.

I will pass on trying to watch a show using historical, natural lighting set in medieval times where there is an insistence that it actually be lit naturally. You might as well just listen to an audiobook in that case.
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Jacob

Quote from: Berkut on October 18, 2021, 04:41:40 PM
They don't use historical, natural lighting in shows or movies set in todays time.

I will pass on trying to watch a show using historical, natural lighting set in medieval times where there is an insistence that it actually be lit naturally. You might as well just listen to an audiobook in that case.

Still, there are lots of ways to go about lighting a scene to fit the director, cinematographer, and/ or lighting director's vision. In this case it looks like they've gone with an emphasis on diagetic lighting (though I don't doubt they are using electrical lighting to achieve this effect), and as a result have gone with the "lots of candles/ oil lamps everywhere" approach which can seem a bit silly for those concerned with historical and pseudo-historical logistics/ economics... and absolutely fine for those who don't care about such concerns.

Could someone film the same scene lit in a way that seemed "realistic" without being completely dark? Probably... though I"m not a lighting director, so I can't say for sure.

Myself, I am sympathetic to "where are they getting all that oil from and at what price" nitpickery, though I can see why most people would consider it trivial.

Josquius

I must say that's my biggest hate in TV and films. I can't stand it when things are too dark. Big reason why I don't really rate the Nolan batmans.
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Jacob

Quote from: Tyr on October 18, 2021, 05:10:05 PM
I must say that's my biggest hate in TV and films. I can't stand it when things are too dark. Big reason why I don't really rate the Nolan batmans.

That's how I feel about video games.