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[Syt]

though it was a bit self indulgent in season 2 in its references to classic Italian cinema.

Now I have to watch this. Clever pedantry is my weakness. 

Season 2 Ep. 1 is basically a retake of The Bicycle Thieves, it's even shot in black and white.

[The Larch]

What does capital drain have to do with football viewing?

Huge numbers of young people are forced to leave their home town and move to London for work. This makes getting to matches a very inconvenient affair for them so even if they're really into football they may only go to a handful of games a year. This serves to deflate gates at many teams (and boost subscriptions to watch football on TV).
A lot move back as they get older but many others don't, once gone they're gone.
This also has broader impacts for breeding the next generation of fans.

All PL clubs have average attendances upwards of 90% before Covid hit, with plenty of them having virtually 100% attendances. Even most Championship clubs average around 70% or more, with the top ones also hitting 90%+, so I don't think there's any kind of problem on the fan supply side, plenty of people are willing to attend football games in England, be it in London or not. And it must be pointed out that something like a third of all PL teams are from London, with something like another third is located in heavily populated cities. England is not London and a wasteland outside of it.

Probably.
There's also the complicating factor of increased remote work and flight from London meaning more people with money are able to live closer to home and get to games more.

You're aware that there's an entire world outside the UK and London, right?

for someone so anti brexit Tyr's pretty insular

In a topic about British sports viewing habits and football screening I talk about...British sports viewing habits. What's insular about that?

The thing is that the value of football rights is going to continue to be outrageous no matter what the British viewing habits are (which I don't think are going to change significantly anyway), because they're heavily driven by overseas viewers nowadays.

[Sheilbh]

The thing is that the value of football rights is going to continue to be outrageous no matter what the British viewing habits are (which I don't think are going to change significantly anyway), because they're heavily driven by overseas viewers nowadays.

Yeah - that's fair. But I suppose my point is the cost of LOTR which presumably they're hoping will be a hit in every is only 4 times the amount they pay for 20 football games in a relatively small territory. On the one hand football rights are crazy, on the other the production cost doesn't seem that wild in comparison.

Watched the first few episodes of Domina and I liked it a lot. It will very much fill the Game of Thrones space. And I think this is a weirdly unexplored area - I've seen loads of collapse of the Republic dramas and then you've got I, Claudius for the later period.

I feel like this is the first in between on Augustus consolidating power - and the gaps, which I think is a smart approach. First couple of episodes on Livia meeting and marrying Augustus (plus her first husband), then it jumps twelve years forward to the post-Antony phase.

Edit: Also it's kind of weird to see Augustus not ust as either established emperor or uncanny teenager. This is him and Agrippa in their 20s taking on the Senate - I like it

[Eddie Teach]

Good Morning, Vietnam. Mainly a vehicle to show Robin Williams doing comedy- the dramatic parts don't work so well. I do think that kid Forest Whitaker is going places.

[crazy canuck]

Good Morning, Vietnam. Mainly a vehicle to show Robin Williams doing comedy- the dramatic parts don't work so well. I do think that kid Forest Whitaker is going places.

Those comedy scenes were not scripted.  They just let Williams do his thing.  Definitely made the movie worth watching.  Agreed on that Whitaker kid.  I think he has a future.

[Admiral Yi]

I've just seen clips, but AFAICT "Southland" is the anti-BLM cop show.

[Josephus]

I have noticed on Netflix here, and other streaming services including HBO there's a lot more Euro produced stuff. I'm watching something from Poland right now; plus all the aforementioned Spanish stuff. And of course British stuff. I wonder if this has to do with COVID shutting down American production for several months playing into this.

[The Larch]

I have noticed on Netflix here, and other streaming services including HBO there's a lot more Euro produced stuff. I'm watching something from Poland right now; plus all the aforementioned Spanish stuff. And of course British stuff. I wonder if this has to do with COVID shutting down American production for several months playing into this.

Lots of productions were shut down here as well, I guess it has more to do with Netflix's push into international markets producing local stuff for each one but making them available all over.

[Josquius]

On Eastern European productions I've been watching shadow and bone.
Well. This is weird. Seems so low budget and amateurish at times but then at others it doesn't. Some fairly well known actors to be seen in minor roles.

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All PL clubs have average attendances upwards of 90% before Covid hit, with plenty of them having virtually 100% attendances. Even most Championship clubs average around 70% or more, with the top ones also hitting 90%+, so I don't think there's any kind of problem on the fan supply side, plenty of people are willing to attend football games in England, be it in London or not. And it must be pointed out that something like a third of all PL teams are from London, with something like another third is located in heavily populated cities.

This is a symptom of the problem.
Its not the "natural" state of affairs at all that London is so dominant and the likes of Watford are frequent premier league visitors.
I've actually become tempted to graph this out should I ever get time.

Also don't forget that Filling a 15k stadium 70% is fairly symptomatic of a supply shortage.

England is not London and a wasteland outside of it.

Hi from newcastle.
Waste land is over stating it and things are less bad than they were a decade ago but there's still an enormous londonwards brain drain in place. Vast areas of the country are very grey, it's a key explainer for recent election results.

Probably.
There's also the complicating factor of increased remote work and flight from London meaning more people with money are able to live closer to home and get to games more.

You're aware that there's an entire world outside the UK and London, right?

for someone so anti brexit Tyr's pretty insular

In a topic about British sports viewing habits and football screening I talk about...British sports viewing habits. What's insular about that?

The thing is that the value of football rights is going to continue to be outrageous no matter what the British viewing habits are (which I don't think are going to change significantly anyway), because they're heavily driven by overseas viewers nowadays.
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Yes, that's a factor too. But we were talking about the domestic sales.
That's definitely a possibility going forward, that the British Market declines heavily and chasing foreign markets becomes even more lucrative.

[The Larch]

On Eastern European productions I've been watching shadow and bone.
Well. This is weird. Seems so low budget and amateurish at times but then at others it doesn't. Some fairly well known actors to be seen in minor roles.

Shadow and Bone is an American show.

All PL clubs have average attendances upwards of 90% before Covid hit, with plenty of them having virtually 100% attendances. Even most Championship clubs average around 70% or more, with the top ones also hitting 90%+, so I don't think there's any kind of problem on the fan supply side, plenty of people are willing to attend football games in England, be it in London or not. And it must be pointed out that something like a third of all PL teams are from London, with something like another third is located in heavily populated cities.

This is a symptom of the problem.
Its not the "natural" state of affairs at all that London is so dominant and the likes of Watford are frequent premier league visitors.
I've actually become tempted to graph this out should I ever get time.

There is not a "natural state of affairs", this is something that I believe we've recently discussed in the football thread (maybe we should continue this discussion there?), of there being a kind of realingment in recent times of teams in the first divisions, with more teams from economically strong regions at the expense of historical teams from more deprived ones. At least something similar is happening in Spain as well.

Also don't forget that Filling a 15k stadium 70% is fairly symptomatic of a supply shortage.

How come? There might be a million other reasons for that rather than lack of fans. Maybe the team is terrible, or badly managed, maybe the stadium is crumbling down, or oversized, or maybe simply the tickets are super expensive. All those reasons are more likely than "there's not enough young people because they all move to London".

Also, in other countries teams would kill for an average 70% attendance.

England is not London and a wasteland outside of it.

Hi from newcastle.
Waste land is over stating it and things are less bad than they were a decade ago but there's still an enormous londonwards brain drain in place. Vast areas of the country are very grey, it's a key explainer for recent election results.

The way you put it sometimes it'd seem that London is such a massive vacuum that it leaves barely anything outside of it. What I meant is that many other big football teams are located in heavily populated parts of the country (Man United, Man City, Liverpool, Everton, all the Midlands clubs...).

Probably.
There's also the complicating factor of increased remote work and flight from London meaning more people with money are able to live closer to home and get to games more.

You're aware that there's an entire world outside the UK and London, right?

for someone so anti brexit Tyr's pretty insular

In a topic about British sports viewing habits and football screening I talk about...British sports viewing habits. What's insular about that?

The thing is that the value of football rights is going to continue to be outrageous no matter what the British viewing habits are (which I don't think are going to change significantly anyway), because they're heavily driven by overseas viewers nowadays.

Yes, that's a factor too. But we were talking about the domestic sales.
That's definitely a possibility going forward, that the British Market declines heavily and chasing foreign markets becomes even more lucrative.

And I really doubt that the domestic value of PL tv rights will decline heavily. There was a dip in 2019-22 price, but instead of going down it has been kept at its current price for a further three years. Maybe the 2016-19 price was overvalued and a correction has been made, but I really doubt that it's a sign of declining value. And as mentioned, overseas rights have continued to increase even in the face of decreasing domestic ones. A misinterpretation of these numbers might have been one of the reasons for the impetus behind the ESL.

[Josephus]

I have noticed on Netflix here, and other streaming services including HBO there's a lot more Euro produced stuff. I'm watching something from Poland right now; plus all the aforementioned Spanish stuff. And of course British stuff. I wonder if this has to do with COVID shutting down American production for several months playing into this.

Lots of productions were shut down here as well, I guess it has more to do with Netflix's push into international markets producing local stuff for each one but making them available all over.

yes I realize that, but there was a huge surplus of stuff that hadn't aired here yet.

[Sheilbh]

On re-makes I see Fox has adapted This Country into Welcome to Flatch. It may be dreadful but I quite liked the trailer.

And it's a bit like The Office - the British one is mockumentry and often very awkward and painfully real for anyone who lived in the country as a youth. The American one looks a lot more up-beat, lovable, ensemble and aspiring to Parks and Recness.

Hopefully it is an adaptation that works because I love This Country.

[The Larch]

And it's a bit like The Office - the British one is mockumentry and often very awkward and painfully real for anyone who lived in the country as a youth. The American one looks a lot more up-beat, lovable, ensemble and aspiring to Parks and Recness.

In fact the creator of Parks & Rec was one of the writers of the American version of The Office.

[Sheilbh]

Latest Inside Number 9 is really good

Premise of this one - after commedia dell'arte heist movie is more straightforward and a little bit of a note with all the Snyder Cut/re-do Game of Thrones stuff. The writer of a fantasy TV series with a very unpopular ending accidentally kills a fan outside his club after a disappointing awards show, then someone else turns up at his front door having disposed of the body and caught the whole thing on his phone.

Cracking little appearance by Lindsay Duncan too - as the writer's agent.

[Eddie Teach]

On Eastern European productions I've been watching shadow and bone.
Well. This is weird. Seems so low budget and amateurish at times but then at others it doesn't. Some fairly well known actors to be seen in minor roles.

The only actor I recognized was the main antagonist, from a considerably smaller role in Westworld.

P.s. phone cropping is a real pain.