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garbon

#38580
January 09, 2018, 06:17:11 PM
Quote from: celedhring on January 09, 2018, 06:15:17 PM
Also, I'm not that familiar with P.T. Barnum's life story but I'm sure as hell it isn't as presented in the film. It's over-sugared to the nth degree.

Oh, of course not. By all accounts he was a reprehensible fellow.
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celedhring

#38581
January 09, 2018, 08:40:53 PM
The movie's plot has just a very superficial resemblance to his actual life, going off his wikipedia article. The vibe I get from the article is that he certainly was a bit of a cunt.

The movie depicts him as a wide-eyed romantic that loses his way a bit because he doesn't want his family to experience the poverty and rejection he experienced as a kid. Of course he's redeemed at the end. The movie moves so fast through stuff that very little drama takes hold, anyway.

Valmy

#38582
January 09, 2018, 10:54:57 PM Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 10:56:31 PM by Valmy
I mean he was a human being and business man and not a saintly figure or anything and all that but I don't see anything particularly reprehensible about him.

Certainly not 'by all accounts'. As if he was universally despised or some bullshit like that.
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jimmy olsen

#38583
January 09, 2018, 11:12:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 09, 2018, 10:54:57 PM
I mean he was a human being and business man and not a saintly figure or anything and all that but I don't see anything particularly reprehensible about him.

Certainly not 'by all accounts'. As if he was universally despised or some bullshit like that.

He's famous for saying "A sucker is born every minute". How is someone who has that has their signature quote not universally despised?
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The Minsky Moment

#38584
January 09, 2018, 11:37:17 PM
America tends to have a soft spot for the roguish businessman/entrepreneur.
The real Barnum was a fascinating character, a man of fantastic energy and imagination, ahead of his times for good or ill.  A "celebrity" in the modern sense, a man famous for being famous, a keen sense of PR, self-promotion, "all news is good news".  He had a little remembered (outside CT) closing act as mayor of Bridgeport, the legend is that he was quite effective.
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Valmy

#38585
January 10, 2018, 12:52:15 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 09, 2018, 11:12:36 PM
He's famous for saying "A sucker is born every minute". How is someone who has that has their signature quote not universally despised?

Except he never actually said that.

But even if he did...hardly a big deal. He created several cultural institutions and as far as I know didn't do anything unconventionally villainous.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Sophie Scholl

#38586
January 10, 2018, 03:02:39 AM
Re-watched Justice League:  The New Frontier for the first time in years.  It remains, in my opinion, the best DC movie.  I really wish they'd simply turned it into a live action film for the Justice League movie and the DCEU movie efforts.  It would be a great base in my opinion.  Heck, you could have even still had Superman and Wonder Woman movies to lead into it.  You could have set them during World War II, which would have been sweet.  I mean, who makes better enemies than Nazis?
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dps

#38587
January 10, 2018, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 09, 2018, 11:12:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 09, 2018, 10:54:57 PM
I mean he was a human being and business man and not a saintly figure or anything and all that but I don't see anything particularly reprehensible about him.

Certainly not 'by all accounts'. As if he was universally despised or some bullshit like that.

He's famous for saying "A sucker is born every minute". How is someone who has that has their signature quote not universally despised?

'Cause A) he's right (did you not learn anything from the 2016 Presidential election) but B) no one thinks of themselves as  sucker.

Savonarola

#38588
January 10, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Darkest Hour (2017)

It's now the time of year for gimme an Oscar prestige pictures.  This Churchill biopic covers his first month as prime minister and is built around three of his most famous speeches; his first address to the House of Commons (Blood, toil, sweat and tears); his first radio address as PM (Arm yourself and be ye men of valor); and his post Dunkirk address to the House of Commons ("We shall fight them on the beaches.")  The movie is well worth seeing for Gary Oldman's Churchill, that is an amazing impersonation.  The soundtrack is well done; though I have mixed feelings about using a string section to "Punch up" Churchill's speeches.
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The Minsky Moment

#38589
January 10, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 09, 2018, 11:12:36 PM
He's famous for saying "A sucker is born every minute". How is someone who has that has their signature quote not universally despised?

Universally despised is saved for things like secretly deflating footballs, or taping the other team's signals from their sidelines.  You know, sneaky, underhanded cheating kind of stuff. 
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Malthus

#38590
January 10, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 10, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Darkest Hour (2017)

It's now the time of year for gimme an Oscar prestige pictures.  This Churchill biopic covers his first month as prime minister and is built around three of his most famous speeches; his first address to the House of Commons (Blood, toil, sweat and tears); his first radio address as PM (Arm yourself and be ye men of valor); and his post Dunkirk address to the House of Commons ("We shall fight them on the beaches.")  The movie is well worth seeing for Gary Oldman's Churchill, that is an amazing impersonation.  The soundtrack is well done; though I have mixed feelings about using a string section to "Punch up" Churchill's speeches.

I saw that. I thought Oldman made a wonderful Churchill.

I was hardly at all tempted to see him as the character he played in Leon: The Professional  :D 'Who are we going to get off the beach at Dunkirk? EVERYONE!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

I understand there are serious inaccuracies in the plot, and certainly that scene with him riding the tube is a complete invention ...

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Savonarola

#38591
January 10, 2018, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 10, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
I saw that. I thought Oldman made a wonderful Churchill.

I was hardly at all tempted to see him as the character he played in Leon: The Professional  :D 'Who are we going to get off the beach at Dunkirk? EVERYONE!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

I understand there are serious inaccuracies in the plot, and certainly that scene with him riding the tube is a complete invention ...

New girl starts the day the boss is made PM, the tube ride, typist gets to go to the map room for exposition and Chamberlain softening to Churchill at the end really stuck out as pure Hollywood.  I'm not familiar enough with the period to know what else was wrong.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Berkut

#38592
January 10, 2018, 12:08:19 PM
Finished up season 2 of The Crown. I really hope its success spawns more history as drama like this, and less like that silly spy crap about the Revolutionary War.
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crazy canuck

#38593
January 10, 2018, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 10, 2018, 12:08:19 PM
Finished up season 2 of The Crown. I really hope its success spawns more history as drama like this, and less like that silly spy crap about the Revolutionary War.

Try the one about the Medici on Netflix - Can't remember the name now.  Also the Netflix series on Commodus was pretty good.  Lastly the Gunpowder Plot on HBO.

mongers

#38594
January 10, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 10, 2018, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 10, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
I saw that. I thought Oldman made a wonderful Churchill.

I was hardly at all tempted to see him as the character he played in Leon: The Professional  :D 'Who are we going to get off the beach at Dunkirk? EVERYONE!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

I understand there are serious inaccuracies in the plot, and certainly that scene with him riding the tube is a complete invention ...

New girl starts the day the boss is made PM, the tube ride, typist gets to go to the map room for exposition and Chamberlain softening to Churchill at the end really stuck out as pure Hollywood.  I'm not familiar enough with the period to know what else was wrong.

Weirdly, iirc the first one might be true, I vaguely recall something like that. As you say there could well be a good dose of hollywood in it.
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