TV/Movies Megathread

[Berkut]

Faramir sticks an arrow in his mount. Prsumably there are other men around, and the Nazgul doesn't think it can kill them all and get the Ring?

I mean, he didn't "just" fly away.

  The whole point of the Nazgul is that they are themselves ringbearers.  They can't even be hurt by normal men with normal weapons.  And the idea that the Nazgul would choose to save his mount from an ouchy rather than get the Ring is not plausible to me.  The main mission of the Nazgul all along has been to get the Ring for Sauron.

It was a dumb and unnecessary scene that just showed how little Jackson understood the books.

I don't disagree, just wanted to point out that the the actual mechanics of what happened makes a little more sense then the Nazgul just leaving for no reason. Faramir shot his mount, Sam tackled Frodo away, we see the Nazgul kind of pull back as his mount misses Frodo and gets hit by Faramir, and then we don't really see what happens with Faramir, the Nazgul, and that confrontation, because the scene focuses on Sam and Frodo.

The Nazgul are not, presumably, totally impervious to any danger. They cannot apparently just fly to Gondor and butcher everyone at will, or they would have already. They must have SOME concern about being harmed by sufficient force.

Actually...the more I think about it, the more I think the scene actually works. The scene isn't about the Nazgul and Frodo after all - it is about Frodo and Sam. We don't know what happened to the Nazgul after Sam tackled Frodo and its dragon mount was shot by Faramir, but that isn't really the point of the scene, I don't think.

[The Brain]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

[Berkut]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

Yes - Frodo pretty much holds it up right in his face. I don't see how he could have possibly missed it, given that they can sense the Ring.

Now, I know that the next observation is "If the Nazgul knew the ring was RIGHT THERE it would have done *everything* possible to take it, even likely risking destruction to do so". And that is a fair point. But we don't actually know what happens to drive it off, that happens off scene. But we do know there are lots of Faramirs soldiers around.

[The Brain]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

Yes - Frodo pretty much holds it up right in his face. I don't see how he could have possibly missed it, given that they can sense the Ring.

Now, I know that the next observation is "If the Nazgul knew the ring was RIGHT THERE it would have done *everything* possible to take it, even likely risking destruction to do so". And that is a fair point. But we don't actually know what happens to drive it off, that happens off scene. But we do know there are lots of Faramirs soldiers around.

From the early events when they were getting out of the Shire we know that while the Nazgul can sense the Ring, there is a FUCKTON of false positives they have to sift through. A Nazgul was feet away from the Ring, sensed that something was there, and then rode off.

[grumbler]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

Yes - Frodo pretty much holds it up right in his face. I don't see how he could have possibly missed it, given that they can sense the Ring.

Now, I know that the next observation is "If the Nazgul knew the ring was RIGHT THERE it would have done *everything* possible to take it, even likely risking destruction to do so". And that is a fair point. But we don't actually know what happens to drive it off, that happens off scene. But we do know there are lots of Faramirs soldiers around.

From the early events when they were getting out of the Shire we know that while the Nazgul can sense the Ring, there is a FUCKTON of false positives they have to sift through. A Nazgul was feet away from the Ring, sensed that something was there, and then rode off.

The Nazgul not only knows that the Ring is there, it compels Frodo to come into the open and put the Ring on, much like the Nazgul did at Weathertop.  Sam grabs Frodo just before he finished putting on the Ring, though, maybe ten feet directly in front of the Nazgul and atop a bridge, so the Nazgul just loses interest and flies away.

JRRT has the Fordo and Sam moment that follows, but not in such a ludicrous way.

Jackson wanted this super-tense moment to have the Sam-Frodo moment, but then couldn't figure out how to resolve it, so he just had the Nazgul lose interest in the Ring. JRRT had the Nazgul as super bad guys (they were, after all, very powerful even before they got Rings of Power), but Jackson has them behave like trolls:  strong, but stupid.

[Berkut]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

Yes - Frodo pretty much holds it up right in his face. I don't see how he could have possibly missed it, given that they can sense the Ring.

Now, I know that the next observation is "If the Nazgul knew the ring was RIGHT THERE it would have done *everything* possible to take it, even likely risking destruction to do so". And that is a fair point. But we don't actually know what happens to drive it off, that happens off scene. But we do know there are lots of Faramirs soldiers around.

From the early events when they were getting out of the Shire we know that while the Nazgul can sense the Ring, there is a FUCKTON of false positives they have to sift through. A Nazgul was feet away from the Ring, sensed that something was there, and then rode off.

The Nazgul not only knows that the Ring is there, it compels Frodo to come into the open and put the Ring on, much like the Nazgul did at Weathertop.  Sam grabs Frodo just before he finished putting on the Ring, though, maybe ten feet directly in front of the Nazgul and atop a bridge, so the Nazgul just loses interest and flies away.

JRRT has the Fordo and Sam moment that follows, but not in such a ludicrous way.

Jackson wanted this super-tense moment to have the Sam-Frodo moment, but then couldn't figure out how to resolve it, so he just had the Nazgul lose interest in the Ring. JRRT had the Nazgul as super bad guys (they were, after all, very powerful even before they got Rings of Power), but Jackson has them behave like trolls:  strong, but stupid.

It did not lose interest and fly away. Faramir drove it away initially by shooting its mount, and the camera cuts away before we know what happened after that as far as the Nazgul was concerned.

Again, maybe that doesn't make sense, but it did not just lose interest and wander off.

[grumbler]

I don't completely remember the scene, does the Nazgul know that the Ring is there?

Yes - Frodo pretty much holds it up right in his face. I don't see how he could have possibly missed it, given that they can sense the Ring.

Now, I know that the next observation is "If the Nazgul knew the ring was RIGHT THERE it would have done *everything* possible to take it, even likely risking destruction to do so". And that is a fair point. But we don't actually know what happens to drive it off, that happens off scene. But we do know there are lots of Faramirs soldiers around.

From the early events when they were getting out of the Shire we know that while the Nazgul can sense the Ring, there is a FUCKTON of false positives they have to sift through. A Nazgul was feet away from the Ring, sensed that something was there, and then rode off.

The Nazgul not only knows that the Ring is there, it compels Frodo to come into the open and put the Ring on, much like the Nazgul did at Weathertop.  Sam grabs Frodo just before he finished putting on the Ring, though, maybe ten feet directly in front of the Nazgul and atop a bridge, so the Nazgul just loses interest and flies away.

JRRT has the Fordo and Sam moment that follows, but not in such a ludicrous way.

Jackson wanted this super-tense moment to have the Sam-Frodo moment, but then couldn't figure out how to resolve it, so he just had the Nazgul lose interest in the Ring. JRRT had the Nazgul as super bad guys (they were, after all, very powerful even before they got Rings of Power), but Jackson has them behave like trolls:  strong, but stupid.

It did not lose interest and fly away. Faramir drove it away initially by shooting its mount, and the camera cuts away before we know what happened after that as far as the Nazgul was concerned.

Again, maybe that doesn't make sense, but it did not just lose interest and wander off.

I posted the scene above.  Faramir shot the mount, but it obviously wasn't seriously injured, because it flew away without any problem.

While it is true that anything could have happened offscreen (I guess Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel could have shown up and, using the power of the Three Elven Rings, driven off the Nazgul), but good moviemaking doesn't require the audience to make unwarranted assumptions about what happens offscreen to explain what happens on-screen.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I love Cowboy Bebop, but it's the quintessential style over substance show (but what a style).

Is it really 1:1? Yeah, that would be pointless indeed.

Outlaw Star came to the US around the same time. I liked that better. 

[The Minsky Moment]

Stanley Tucci is American. It's not even 100% sure he has heard of Italy.

Wiki says as a child he lived in Italy for a year.

Plus he has a travel and gastronomy oriented TV series filmed in Italy.

On the other hand its called "Search for Italy" so perhaps he thinks it's still lost?

[jimmy olsen]

I don't know, looks like a 1:1 remake. I never understood the point of those.

Well, Faye seems to wear a much more realistic wardrobe, for starters.   

Is the kid hacker character in the show?

Looks like they're saying them for a 2nd season

[Eddie Teach]

Squid Game. Pretty messed up.

[Josquius]

I've been watching "Missions".
A French sci fi series that has a bit of the look and feel of a flashy American series... Its a fascade generally, you see the low budget shine through.
Very much science fantasy rather than hard sci fi, a bit esoteric and hard to follow, but decent enough.
Weirdly its episodes are half an hour long. Very odd for the type of show.

Its funny that this in this alternative near-future most people seem to speak French.

I don't know, looks like a 1:1 remake. I never understood the point of those.

Well, Faye seems to wear a much more realistic wardrobe, for starters.   

A source of much rage amongst a section of the internet apparently

Is the kid hacker character in the show?

Maybe? Apparently?
Doesn't appear until fairly late in the anime though so maybe not a main character.

[Duque de Bragança]

Its funny that this in this alternative near-future most people seem to speak French.

Tyr's bigotry is hilarious. 

[HVC]

Squid Game. Pretty messed up.

i watched it too. can't decide if i like it. [spoiler] i did guess right that the old man was involved some how, he just seemed too out of place [/spoiler]

[Josquius]

Its funny that this in this alternative near-future most people seem to speak French.

Tyr's bigotry is hilarious. 

You think it realistic a European space mission would be French speaking and that an American mission would conveniently have 3 French speakers?