Game Changing Weapons of the Third Reich

[grumbler]

Some food for tought

Indeed, especially as to what these works say incorrectly as for what they say correctly.

"From 1938 onwards the Luftwaffe had developed the Me 110 twin-engined fighter; called the "heavy" or "destroyer" fighter (Zerstörer). The role of this fighter was theoretically to be the pursuit of enemy formations over the Reich or returning over their own territory... The twin-engine fighter was something new in German pre-war concepts and in the Staff lectures its experimental nature was constantly emphasized."

From "The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force 1933-1945", issued by the Air Ministry (A.C.A.S. , 1948) quoted in "Luftwaffe fighter-bombers and Destroyers' by John Vasco

The Bf (not Me)-110 was already in service when Vasco/ACAS claims the Germans started to "develop" it.  Not sure what to make of this out-of-context quote.  Perhaps it is stating that the -110's role was being reconsidered, and shifted from long-range escort to defensive interceptor.  or it may be just plain wrong.

"The genesis of the Messerschmidtt 110 evolved out of a requirement of the German Air Ministry in the early months of 1934 for a twin-engined heavy fighter. which would be given the name 'Zerstörer', literally 'Destroyer', which would cleave a path ahead of bomber formations, and that could also carry out the role of strategic reconnaissance and bomber"

"Luftwaffe fighter-bombers and Destroyers" by John Vasco, page 2

This is consistent with what I have seen.  Again, though, a naked quote, and so it isn't clear to me that Vasco realized that what he says here contradicts (at least on the surface) what he is quoting from the Air Staff.

"In the history of aviation there can be few aircraft that have been maligned more unjustly than the Bf 110".

Alfred Price (Profile 207 - Messerschmidtt Bf 110 Night Fighters, page 41)

"But it is also true - and this is important because it is rarely mentioned - that the primary rôle of the Bf 110 was "the pursuit of enemy formations operating over the Reich or returning over their own territory". The aircraft was mainly intended as a "destroyer" of bombers, not fighters".

Ibid., page 42

This would be more interesting if the author were not writing about the night fighter, which was not maligned at all (but the author can claim it was, so that he can 'set the record straight").  The problem with the claim that the criticism of the Bf-110 was "unjust" is that the criticism came from the pilots of the Bf-110, who were in a far better position to determine the justice of their criticism than an ex-RAF bomber aircrewman who was only six years old when the Bf-110 left service.  Price seems to confuse just criticism of the Bf-110 in its original role as unjust criticism of it in the night-fighter role.

[PDH]

Let me set the record straight.  All the German weapons in World War II were cooler and neater than anything the Allies could ever dream of.  They basically were the shit, and anyway pictures of them in a game, either on cardboard or some sort of little animated picture thingy on the computer makes everything cooler.

I just wanted to set the record straight.

[Ed Anger]

Let me set the record straight.  All the German weapons in World War II were cooler and neater than anything the Allies could ever dream of.  They basically were the shit, and anyway pictures of them in a game, either on cardboard or some sort of little animated picture thingy on the computer makes everything cooler.

I just wanted to set the record straight.

Damned right. German white on black counters in wargamers are just so cool. Add some SS runes, and I get a boner.

[Caliga]

WRONG.  The M-26 Pershing was the SHIZNIT. 

[Ed Anger]

WRONG.  The M-26 Pershing was the SHIZNIT. 

[PDH]

The Pershing, no matter the game, isn't worth 2 Hetzers and a flamethrower squad.

[Ed Anger]

A single german sniper can rout the 8th Guards Army.

[PDH]

If he is one of those names snipers in SL, he could fucking take win the scenario himself.

Really, the Germans were idiots - they needed to have their wargame stats on the battlefield.

[Viking]

Game Changing Weapons of the United Nations

M1 Garand



B29 Superfortress



C47 Dakota/Skytrain



Liberty Ship



T-34




Il-2



Katyusha



Radar



Asdic



Colossus

[PDH]

Oi! naughty!

[Caliga]

 

[Ed Anger]

Colossus

I liked that movie.

[Viking]

and I almost forgot

The Atom Bomb

[Berkut]

and I almost forgot

The Atom Bomb

The middle bulge of that mushroom cloud looks like the clown from It.

[Viking]

It is the Clown from It. This is photoshopped

http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/18574/