Are you calling me a Tatar?

[Malthus]

I hear rants on this subject from my wife and her relations often enough. Any historical work or even novel that (somewhat anachronistically) refers to the Rus as "Russian" sends them into a fury.

The best part is, there is no other handy adjective in English that could substitute for "something or someone from Kievan Rus".

Anyway, the Ukrainians have only themselves to blame. Fuckers got conquered by ancestors of Martinus, and when they finally managed to free themselves they received heavy Muscovite help.

The real problem was earlier - getting creamed by the Mongols.

[Sahib]

I hear rants on this subject from my wife and her relations often enough. Any historical work or even novel that (somewhat anachronistically) refers to the Rus as "Russian" sends them into a fury.

The best part is, there is no other handy adjective in English that could substitute for "something or someone from Kievan Rus".

"Ruthenian"?

Germans tend to give weird and totally unrelated names to places they occupy.

What would be a related name? What does Lviv (or whatever) mean?

City/Town of Leo IIRC

[Barrister]

Kievan Rus was not Russian. Any talk of a Ruthenian nation is ill-informed, stupid, possibly mad and the product of Muscovite attempts to split and destroy Ukraine.

I hear rants on this subject from my wife and her relations often enough. Any historical work or even novel that (somewhat anachronistically) refers to the Rus as "Russian" sends them into a fury.

Damn straight.  Your wife is very wise in such matters.

[Syt]

I know one person from Lviv and he calls it Lviv. I know more East Ukrainians, they call it Lvov.

[The Brain]

Charles XII took Lemberg, not some faggity slave name town.

[Alcibiades]

They should feel guilty for having failed.  More than anybody else, the Nazis are guilty for having subjected the world to Martinus.  Other than his parents, I suppose.

Still, a lot of problems would be solved if the old Hohenzollern, Habsburg and Ottoman empires were reconstructed.

Yeah no shit, the world would be a better place without Martinus.

[Razgovory]

They should feel guilty for having failed.  More than anybody else, the Nazis are guilty for having subjected the world to Martinus.  Other than his parents, I suppose.

Still, a lot of problems would be solved if the old Hohenzollern, Habsburg and Ottoman empires were reconstructed.

Yeah no shit, the world would be a better place without Martinus.

Should have stayed communist.

[Solmyr]

"Ruthenian"?

Why the fuck should we use a Latin name for a place where Latin was never even used? Not to mention that "Russia" was used in Latin documents as well to denote Kievan Rus.

[Lucidor]

I love it! I'd follow the EUOT thread religiously! Is there a Balkan political discussion subforum yet, to get rid of the crazy of the regular OT?

[Agelastus]

As for Gdansk/Danzig, eleven pages of archives (Lvov/Lviv has one). I rest my case.

Some tards fighting on Wikipedia is different from governments making policy based on names.

Without reading it, I assume some of them are the ones who say that Danzig was illegally occupied first by the Germans, and then by the Poles, and should be recognised as the Free City it was before WWII?

[The Minsky Moment]

Ukraine/Poland Anyone who spells the capital of Galicia as Lwów is a Polish nationalist who bayonets Ukrainian babies for fun. Anyone who says it is spelled Lviv is a Ukrainian fascist who bayonets Polish babies for fun. Anyone who spells it Lvov is a Soviet mass murderer. And anyone who calls it Lemberg is a Nazi. See you in Leopolis for further discussion.

Heh - my grandfather was born there.
The key thing to remember is whatever the differences among these people and their spelling of place names, they can always be united under a common cause: kick the crap out of the Jews.

[Malthus]

Ukraine/Poland Anyone who spells the capital of Galicia as Lwów is a Polish nationalist who bayonets Ukrainian babies for fun. Anyone who says it is spelled Lviv is a Ukrainian fascist who bayonets Polish babies for fun. Anyone who spells it Lvov is a Soviet mass murderer. And anyone who calls it Lemberg is a Nazi. See you in Leopolis for further discussion.

Heh - my grandfather was born there.
The key thing to remember is whatever the differences among these people and their spelling of place names, they can always be united under a common cause: kick the crap out of the Jews.

As was my maternal grandmother.

We may be related! 

[The Larch]

More importantly, how did they call the city? 

[grumbler]

More importantly, how did they call the city? 

L'Ouch: "City of Bruised Shins."

[Malthus]

More importantly, how did they call the city? 

No doubt by whatever name got them beaten the least.