The Second Coming

[Valmy]

Yes?

Right and both are totally valid.

[garbon]

Garbon I am surprised that you would be critical of a very interesting method Grumbler has developed to teach history.  I would have loved to be in his class.  Learning this way is so much better then simply learning timelines by rote.  His students have to understand the the material to understand the interpretive excercise.  It is that understanding that makes learning fun.

:shrugs:

Reading a poem in light of the interesting history I'd already learned wouldn't excite me. Like I said, I'd find it dull.

[Martinus]

Garbon I am surprised that you would be critical of a very interesting method Grumbler has developed to teach history.  I would have loved to be in his class.  Learning this way is so much better then simply learning timelines by rote.  His students have to understand the the material to understand the interpretive excercise.  It is that understanding that makes learning fun.

The problem is that if grumbler is to his students anything like he is on this board, it is emphatically not fun. He appears to combine his "alternative interpretation" approach with an insistence that the alternative approach he thought up is the only correct one - which is quite flummoxing and must be deeply frustrating to students.

[garbon]

No, you were the one implying it was wrong somehow to interpret a poem other than the way the author intended which is absurd.

I had at first thought that students were being required to learn the interpretation offered up by grumbler. I wouldn't support that.

[garbon]

The problem is that if grumbler is to his students anything like he is on this board, it is emphatically not fun. He appears to combine his "alternative interpretation" approach with an insistence that the alternative approach he thought up is the only correct one - which is quite flummoxing and must be deeply frustrating to students.

I don't think so. I think he simply gave them the poem and then sort of coaxed (not really the word I want) into exploring how what they know could be seen in the poem.  I don't think there is anything wrong or confusing about that. It's not like he told them that's what Yeats meant.

[Berkut]

Garbon I am surprised that you would be critical of a very interesting method Grumbler has developed to teach history.  I would have loved to be in his class.  Learning this way is so much better then simply learning timelines by rote.  His students have to understand the the material to understand the interpretive excercise.  It is that understanding that makes learning fun.

The problem is that if grumbler is to his students anything like he is on this board, it is emphatically not fun. He appears to combine his "alternative interpretation" approach with an insistence that the alternative approach he thought up is the only correct one - which is quite flummoxing and must be deeply frustrating to students.

:boggle:

I don't think you could miss what he was doing any more thoroughly if someone was paying you to do so.

And I don't know shit about poetry, and I can tell that much.

[crazy canuck]

He appears to combine his "alternative interpretation" approach with an insistence that the alternative approach he thought up is the only correct one - which is quite flummoxing and must be deeply frustrating to students.

I will admit that you would have had trouble in his class given his standards.

[PDH]

Poetry - pffft

[Martinus]

He appears to combine his "alternative interpretation" approach with an insistence that the alternative approach he thought up is the only correct one - which is quite flummoxing and must be deeply frustrating to students.

I will admit that you would have had trouble in his class given his standards.

Well, where I come from ex-military people are not considered good poetry teachers.

We consider them uneducated scum and don't let them anywhere children.

[PDH]

We consider them uneducated scum and don't let them anywhere children.

Like the gays.

[Ed Anger]

We consider them uneducated scum and don't let them anywhere children.

Like the gays.

DAMMIT, I WAS TOO SLOW TO RESPOND.

[crazy canuck]

We consider them uneducated scum and don't let them anywhere children.

Like the gays.

Much better then the reply I had.  I will go with yours.

[garbon]

Well, where I come from ex-military people are not considered good poetry teachers.

We consider them uneducated scum and don't let them anywhere children.

Way to attack the poster Marty and not the posts.

[Caliga]

Advanced Placement. At the end of the course you take an exam and depending how you do, you can use them to place out of basic requirements in college.  So if you get a 4 or 5 on an AP chemistry exam, you can then pass out of basic chem at your university.

Where offered, AP exams and SAT IIs have become necessities for those inclined to go to our nation's top universities.

I got a 5 on every AP exam I took.

[Valmy]

I got a 5 on every AP exam I took.

Yeah I got all 4s and 5s.  A 4 is just as good as a 5 in getting those Ps out of intro classes.

In retrospect I think I just should have taken those easy classes and gotten the As