Gays responsible for Srebrenica massacre

[Maximus]

BTW, I saw the video of this hearing, and Sen Levin absolutely eviscerated the poor, stupid general.  It is a thing of beauty. Go http://armed-services.senate.gov/Webcasts/2010/03%20March/03-18-10%20Webcast.htm and fast forward to about minute 68.

The poor general didn't help his case much did he?

[Martinus]

BTW, I saw the video of this hearing, and Sen Levin absolutely eviscerated the poor, stupid general.  It is a thing of beauty. Go http://armed-services.senate.gov/Webcasts/2010/03%20March/03-18-10%20Webcast.htm and fast forward to about minute 68.

The poor general didn't help his case much did he?

Actually, his case won, so I guess he did!

[Maximus]

That does not follow.

[crazy canuck]

CC, Languish is largely a political and social board - while the style of the debate may be facetious or insulting, the topics are those of politics, law, society etc.

In this context, my sexual orientation is sure going to come to the fore because it plays a much more important role than my other characteristics. I am not prevented from marrying a person I love because I like computer games. I'm not prevented from donating blood because I'm a lawyer. I'm not banned from adopting children because I'm am Polish. The police is not less likely to investigate an act of violence against me because I'm white. I am not going to be barred from certain jobs (like the military) because I am an atheist.

I could go on like this. There is a lot of characteristics that define me but most of them do not affect my status vis-a-vis numerous topics we discuss here in the same way my sexual orientation does.

By the way, here is a recent example of what I have been talking about.  You either have a very short memory or not very truthful to yourself, or us.


http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=4077.msg206475#msg206475

[Martinus]

CC, Languish is largely a political and social board - while the style of the debate may be facetious or insulting, the topics are those of politics, law, society etc.

In this context, my sexual orientation is sure going to come to the fore because it plays a much more important role than my other characteristics. I am not prevented from marrying a person I love because I like computer games. I'm not prevented from donating blood because I'm a lawyer. I'm not banned from adopting children because I'm am Polish. The police is not less likely to investigate an act of violence against me because I'm white. I am not going to be barred from certain jobs (like the military) because I am an atheist.

I could go on like this. There is a lot of characteristics that define me but most of them do not affect my status vis-a-vis numerous topics we discuss here in the same way my sexual orientation does.

By the way, here is a recent example of what I have been talking about.  You either have a very short memory or not very truthful to yourself, or us.


http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=4077.msg206475#msg206475

The fact that it was a fucking joke aside, you haven't even posted in that thread so how that would bother you is beyond me. You have accused me of making "shrill" "drama queen" "irrational" posts about homosexuality, and all you can find to support your thesis is my joke about a Hungarian closet gay neonazi in a thread about a black dude getting freaked out by a swastika on chatroullette?

Seriously, get a grip.

[Sheilbh]

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

I think that's the goal, but I don't know how far it's been reached.  As I say there are people on Languish who don't give a shit at all - which is the ideal.  However on Languish there are people who clearly do, I'd guess it would be the same in your neighbourhood.  Most of my friends are straight and don't care a jot - in the nicest way possible.  But I'm aware that that's something that isn't necessarily the norm.  Atmospheres can change in different areas, or different times of day - regardless of neighbourhood.  On a saturday night when pubs and clubs are kicking out I'd be wary of walking round holding another guy's hand.

Like I said, its no big deal.  The problem is you live in a place where it still appears to be a big deal.

It varies as I imagine it does everywhere in the civilised world.  But I don't believe that it's only a big deal because Marti or other fags makes it one.

Marti's problem isn't his fundamental point so much of his inability to scale his response.  Martinus seems to have maybe two posting styles that of a normal poster with a penchant for slightly over the top analogies and GOING NUCLEAR.  That's nothing to do with sexuality

And conveniently enough your argument is one that absolves you of any responsibility to limit your shrillness and whining.

I don't think there's any such responsibility except, at most, the responsibility to be polite.

[grumbler]

That does not follow.

True, but only people who understood the law or logic would know that it doesn't follow.  People like Marti just think that, if one side prevails, everyone who was on that side must have been helping it win.  He doesn't get the concept of what we call "winning the race even though shackled to a Polack."

[Admiral Yi]

I don't think there's any such responsibility except, at most, the responsibility to be polite.

Unlimited shrillness and whining are what have rendered Al Sharpton, and to a lesser extent Jesse Jackson, the butt of jokes outside their own narrow consitituency.  If every single facet of your pet issue is the gravest calamity to confront humanity since the Holocaust then sooner or later people start to tune you out.

[Sheilbh]

Unlimited shrillness and whining are what have rendered Al Sharpton, and to a lesser extent Jesse Jackson, the butt of jokes outside their own narrow consitituency.  If every single facet of your pet issue is the gravest calamity to confront humanity since the Holocaust then sooner or later people start to tune you out.

Well luckily gays haven't gone down that route.  They've generally made rather impressive strides into the mainstream throughout the civilised world.  However I still reject that word 'responsibility'.  It may not be politically wise but that's a different thing altogether.

[Admiral Yi]

Well luckily gays haven't gone down that route.  They've generally made rather impressive strides into the mainstream throughout the civilised world.  However I still reject that word 'responsibility'.  It may not be politically wise but that's a different thing altogether.

Consider the hair precisely split.  But then there is no "responsibility" to be polite either.

[Sheilbh]

Consider the hair precisely split.  But then there is no "responsibility" to be polite either.

No but I'd support one

[grumbler]

Well luckily gays haven't gone down that route.  They've generally made rather impressive strides into the mainstream throughout the civilised world.  However I still reject that word 'responsibility'.  It may not be politically wise but that's a different thing altogether.

Plus, if people judge "gays" based on the behavior of just one of them, then they are kinda hopelessly closed-minded anyway.  If they do as Yi suggests and just laugh at the one who is overly shrill (Sharpton, Martinus) then there is no loss to anyone but the individual shrillustrator.

I would note, though, that "gay" is not the adjective that comes to my mind when I hear the name "Martinus." 

[Alcibiades]

Dismissing sexuality to me suggests a life that compartmentalises it away from all other human relations.  I don't want to be any more private and abashed about loves and relationships than I choose to be.  I want to have them as able to be celebrated and commiserated by other people as any straight person.  I think that's what I mean by people who are genuinely tolerant and don't care - and I think there are a fair few on Languish.

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

This is spot on.

[Grallon]

This is spot on.

Alci lad, you're a professional soldier - what did you think of the 'performance' of that general testifying before the senatorial comitee?  About his arguments and justifications to maintain the current DADT policy?  Do you think if things were in the open it would endanger units' cohesion and effectiveness?




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[Strix]

Of course he is a moron.  Rank times IQ is a constant.

I would have to agree. Hmmm, didn't you retire a Commander or something?