Gays responsible for Srebrenica massacre

[Faeelin]

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

Eh. Marti isn't the guy telling a Senate hearing committee that gays and lesbians are responsible for a genocide. Marti isn't the one defending a law that says gays are going to cause the military to collapse. Marti isn't the one who thinks it should be legal to fire people for being gay.

Anyway grumbler, while I agree with you, ultimately the General won because it ain't getting repealed in the next four years.

[Sheilbh]

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

I suppose my issue is that there are varying understandings of what a 'big deal' is.  For example I know a guy who has a picture of his wife on his desk.  If a gay man were to do the same I promise you that there would be people grumbling about it 'being shoved down their throat' - which is the last defence of homophobia in civilised countries.  So I resist this idea that sexuality shouldn't enter into the rest of our lives because our society is hugely sexualised and to me it seems selective that gay men can be defined by their sexuality while the man who has a picture of his wife on his desk isn't 'defined' by his sexuality.

[crazy canuck]

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

I suppose my issue is that there are varying understandings of what a 'big deal' is.  For example I know a guy who has a picture of his wife on his desk.  If a gay man were to do the same I promise you that there would be people grumbling about it 'being shoved down their throat' - which is the last defence of homophobia in civilised countries.  So I resist this idea that sexuality shouldn't enter into the rest of our lives because our society is hugely sexualised and to me it seems selective that gay men can be defined by their sexuality while the man who has a picture of his wife on his desk isn't 'defined' by his sexuality.

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

Like I said, its no big deal.  The problem is you live in a place where it still appears to be a big deal.

[crazy canuck]

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

Eh. Marti isn't the guy telling a Senate hearing committee that gays and lesbians are responsible for a genocide. Marti isn't the one defending a law that says gays are going to cause the military to collapse. Marti isn't the one who thinks it should be legal to fire people for being gay.

No but Marti makes it a lot harder on gay people since he may make people associate shrill irrational posts with being gay.

[Martinus]

CC, Languish is largely a political and social board - while the style of the debate may be facetious or insulting, the topics are those of politics, law, society etc.

In this context, my sexual orientation is sure going to come to the fore because it plays a much more important role than my other characteristics. I am not prevented from marrying a person I love because I like computer games. I'm not prevented from donating blood because I'm a lawyer. I'm not banned from adopting children because I'm am Polish. The police is not less likely to investigate an act of violence against me because I'm white. I am not going to be barred from certain jobs (like the military) because I am an atheist.

I could go on like this. There is a lot of characteristics that define me but most of them do not affect my status vis-a-vis numerous topics we discuss here in the same way my sexual orientation does.

[Martinus]

Its not dismissive, its just not a big deal until people make it so, like Marti.

Eh. Marti isn't the guy telling a Senate hearing committee that gays and lesbians are responsible for a genocide. Marti isn't the one defending a law that says gays are going to cause the military to collapse. Marti isn't the one who thinks it should be legal to fire people for being gay.

No but Marti makes it a lot harder on gay people since he may make people associate shrill irrational posts with being gay.

Oh this is utter bollocks.

This is the homophobe's equivalent of "well, I don't mind given niggers their rights, if only they weren't so uppity."

[Admiral Yi]

QED 

[Martinus]

*shrug*

That's the argument. Preceded by the obligatory "Some of my friends are gay" from CC.

[Martinus]

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

Ok let me ask you this. When you talk to them, how often do you raise the question of the sovereignty of First Nations or the status of the treaties with them under international law? Because that's the topic you have been extremely active in on the forum lately, and judging from your post you seem to expect that topics we discuss here are the same kind of topics you discuss with your neighbors when walking the dog.

[crazy canuck]

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

Ok let me ask you this. When you talk to them, how often do you raise the question of the sovereignty of First Nations or the status of the treaties with them under international law? Because that's the topic you have been extremely active in on the forum lately, and judging from your post you seem to expect that topics we discuss here are the same kind of topics you discuss with your neighbors when walking the dog.

Actually a fair amount.  One of the fellows is a Federal lawyer working in the area of native land claims.  Its too bad you cant actually talk to your neighbours without fear of being hunted and all.

[Martinus]

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

Ok let me ask you this. When you talk to them, how often do you raise the question of the sovereignty of First Nations or the status of the treaties with them under international law? Because that's the topic you have been extremely active in on the forum lately, and judging from your post you seem to expect that topics we discuss here are the same kind of topics you discuss with your neighbors when walking the dog.

Actually a fair amount.  One of the fellows is a Federal lawyer working in the area of native land claims.  Its too bad you cant actually talk to your neighbours without fear of being hunted and all.

Why do you define yourself and your relations with other people only through the perspective of being a lawyer, then?

I mean, compared to my alleged obsession with my homosexuality, that must be the most boring and drab identity fixture ever.

[Syt]

Why do you define yourself and your relations with other people only through the perspective of being a lawyer, then?

I mean, compared to my alleged obsession with my homosexuality, that must be the most boring and drab identity fixture ever.

Well, you wouldn't know.

[crazy canuck]

*shrug*

That's the argument. Preceded by the obligatory "Some of my friends are gay" from CC.

You dont have any gay friends?

[Admiral Yi]

*shrug*

That's the argument. Preceded by the obligatory "Some of my friends are gay" from CC.

And conveniently enough your argument is one that absolves you of any responsibility to limit your shrillness and whining.

[crazy canuck]

When my sons and I walk our dog down by a nearby river we frequently see our neighbours, two gay men who recently got married. I dont refer to them as the two gay guys.  I refer to them by their names and when we talk to them we dont talk about them being gay, we talk to them about the neighourhood, how they are doing, how their dog is doing.  You know, every day stuff.

Ok let me ask you this. When you talk to them, how often do you raise the question of the sovereignty of First Nations or the status of the treaties with them under international law? Because that's the topic you have been extremely active in on the forum lately, and judging from your post you seem to expect that topics we discuss here are the same kind of topics you discuss with your neighbors when walking the dog.

Actually a fair amount.  One of the fellows is a Federal lawyer working in the area of native land claims.  Its too bad you cant actually talk to your neighbours without fear of being hunted and all.

Why do you define yourself and your relations with other people only through the perspective of being a lawyer, then?

I mean, compared to my alleged obsession with my homosexuality, that must be the most boring and drab identity fixture ever.

Tell me.  Do you ever actually engage people in conversation face to face.  Do you tend to talk about being gay all the time.  Like you do here.  Or do you talk about things you think the other person might be interested in.  Like their neighorhood, their dog, their work etc.

Given your response I am guessing you only really talk about being gay so I can see why you think that defines you.  That must be particularly hard in a country where you get hunted.