Why is Madonna getting so much hate for chain-adopting?

Started by Martinus, April 07, 2009, 12:41:57 PM

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garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 07, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
How dare Malawi have the effrontery to enforce their laws as written!  Don't they understand that Western celebrities are above such trivialities as a civil code?  Don't they get that because Martinus thinks they are a shithole, their entire legislative corpus automatically vanishes?

Yeah, that girl will have a better life in the orphanage!
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dps

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2009, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
:huh: She had a number 1 hit and album in 2005.

Wtf, are you gay now, Tim?  :huh:
It was omnipresent, MTV Hits showed the video all the damn time. <_<

If it was from a time that MTV still showed videos, in pop culture terms it's ancient history.


Syt

Quote from: dps on April 08, 2009, 02:57:24 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2009, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
:huh: She had a number 1 hit and album in 2005.

Wtf, are you gay now, Tim?  :huh:
It was omnipresent, MTV Hits showed the video all the damn time. <_<

If it was from a time that MTV still showed videos, in pop culture terms it's ancient history.

MTV2 and its other branches do. I watcha  fair bit of VH-1 and VH-1 Classics for background noise myself.
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Caliga

Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2009, 11:56:09 PMYeah, that girl will have a better life in the orphanage!

She'll be with her own kind. :)
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2009, 06:21:50 PM
I think there's something mildly obscene about shopping for children. 
What is there that differentiates Madonna's approach from any other adoptive parents? 

BuddhaRhubarb

Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 07, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
See, you are an idiot. First of all, Madonna is hardly a has-been - she has been the "in now" for longer than anyone else.

She's too old to be "in" as a pop star and her attempted transition to acting failed. She's a has-been.

A has been with more money than everyone on Languish put together will ever see. sure, maybe. I say who cares if she adopts a dozen more kids. I'm sure she can afford lots of nannies to shake the kids out right. Adoption is a good thing. Less orphans is never a bad thing. It's not like she's octo-mom or something.
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Sheilbh

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 08, 2009, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 07, 2009, 06:21:50 PM
I think there's something mildly obscene about shopping for children. 
What is there that differentiates Madonna's approach from any other adoptive parents?
Most adoptive parents need to go through a lot of hoops to adopt.  So in the UK she probably couldn't adopt because she's in the middle of a messy divorce, apparently with a couple of love affairs going on.  Agencies in this country I don't think would approve her on grounds of stability for the child.

So, sure, lots of parents in this country could avoid the hassle of adopting if they had the money to cherry-pick from around the world's poor, if they had the money.  I don't think that means it's okay though.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: dps on April 08, 2009, 02:57:24 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2009, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 07, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
:huh: She had a number 1 hit and album in 2005.

Wtf, are you gay now, Tim?  :huh:
It was omnipresent, MTV Hits showed the video all the damn time. <_<

If it was from a time that MTV still showed videos, in pop culture terms it's ancient history.
MTV Hits is a channel that only plays music videos.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 07, 2009, 04:24:23 PM
How dare Malawi have the effrontery to enforce their laws as written!  Don't they understand that Western celebrities are above such trivialities as a civil code?  Don't they get that because Martinus thinks they are a shithole, their entire legislative corpus automatically vanishes?

Yeah, that girl will have a better life in the orphanage!

No doubt there are any number of children that would have a better life with Madonna and her millions to support them then what they should have otherwise.  And yet we do not give the Madonnas of the world carte blanche to seize whatever children they wish from trailer parks or poor ordinary middle class folk who can't afford swanky private schools and vacation homes on the Riviera, Miami Beach, La Maddalena, and Gstaad.
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Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
See, you are an idiot. First of all, Madonna is hardly a has-been - she has been the "in now" for longer than anyone else.

Madonna might still be famous in your backward country, but she is certainly a has-been in the States.
I bet Micheal Jackson is also famous in Poland.



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Neil

Quote from: Siege on April 08, 2009, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
See, you are an idiot. First of all, Madonna is hardly a has-been - she has been the "in now" for longer than anyone else.

Madonna might still be famous in your backward country, but she is certainly a has-been in the States.
I bet Micheal Jackson is also famous in Poland.
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garbon

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 08, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
No doubt there are any number of children that would have a better life with Madonna and her millions to support them then what they should have otherwise.  And yet we do not give the Madonnas of the world carte blanche to seize whatever children they wish from trailer parks or poor ordinary middle class folk who can't afford swanky private schools and vacation homes on the Riviera, Miami Beach, La Maddalena, and Gstaad.

And then you expect me to care about poor people? :rolleyes:
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Caliga

Big surprise... she just won't give up.

QuoteMadonna says adopted kids would return to help their people
Madonna is appealing a Malawian judge's rejection of her adoption petition

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By Alan Duke
CNN
     
(CNN) -- Madonna said she hopes the Malawian girl she wants to adopt and the boy she already adopted "will one day return to Malawi and help the people of their country."
Why the fuck would they want to do that?  :lol:
QuoteA judge has rejected Madonna's adoption application.

A Malawian judge this month rejected the American pop star's petition to adopt 3-year-old Chifundo "Mercy" James, but her lawyer has filed an appeal.

"I want to provide Mercy with a home, a loving family environment and the best education and health care possible," Madonna said in an e-mail to The Nation, a Malawian newspaper. "And it's my hope that she, like David, will one day return to Malawi and help the people of their country."

Madonna's statement, which her publicist provided to CNN, steered away from commenting on her legal battle.

"Though I have been advised that I cannot publicly discuss the pending appeal regarding my desire to adopt Mercy, I do want to say how much I appreciate the level of support that I have received from the people of Malawi and my friends around the world," she said.

The judge who ruled against the adoption said she had "a gripping temptation" to approve it, but decided doing so would open doors to child trafficking, court records show.

"Anyone could come to Malawi and quickly arrange for an adoption that might have grave consequences on the very children that the law seeks to protect," Justice E.J. Chombo wrote in her ruling.

The judge also said she thought the child was in good hands at an orphanage.

Another Malawian judge approved Madonna's adoption of David Banda in 2006.

Chombo's ruling followed weeks of criticism by human-rights activists, who accused the mother of three of using her fame to circumvent a residency law for foreigners adopting in the southern African country.

Save the Children UK had also urged Madonna to let the child be raised by her relatives in her home community.

The denial was applauded by a coalition of Malawian nonprofits.

"Inter-country adoption is not the best way of providing protection to children. ... Supporting children from outside our country only helps five of the 1.5 million orphans we have," said Mavuto Bamusi, national coordinator of the Malawi Human Rights Consultative Committee.

Malawi government officials have said that they supported Madonna's second adoption.

The recently divorced singer was married to British filmmaker Guy Ritchie.

She has been involved with Malawi for several years and made a documentary, "I Am Because We Are," to highlight poverty, AIDS and other diseases devastating children in that country. She also co-founded a nonprofit, Raising Malawi, which provides programs to help the needy.
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