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Started by FunkMonk, March 10, 2009, 08:53:46 PM

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grumbler

Quote from: Tyr on February 10, 2010, 07:46:39 AM
Quote from: The Larch on February 10, 2010, 07:16:01 AM
He lost the benefit of the doubt when he said that he expected a massive shootout at the end of the film, as if it was a Steven Seagal movie.  :P
:bleeding:
No. Just. No.
Most films of its type end with a final bout of action. Often its small and dissapointing but there's usually something. There undoubtedly are action scenes in the film, rather good ones at that, and its dissapointing that they would have what would have the best one take place off camera- even if it was just a case of him opening the hotel door and being shot this would have been a really critical and shocking moment and it would have been best to show it.

Rather weird to have someone so defensive over a film they've nothing to do with.
Just caught up with this topic, but I think you misunderstand what kind of movie this is, Tyr.  This is not the type of movie that has a big shootout at the end, though you can be forgiven for thinking it was.  NCfOM is about, ultimately, the inability of god people to deal with evil.  The climax of the movie comes when the sheriff runs away from the chance to find the bad guy, and then retires.  In the kind of movie this movie is re-imagining, the good guy always takes the story to the inevitable shootout, because the good guy "knows" he will win.  In NCfOM, the sheriff decides at the end that he isn't going to win/doesn't want to risk it, and so avoids the final confrontation.  That is what forces him into retirement; his inability to live up to his own expectations.  In essence, the bad guy has been bad enough he scares the good guy and so retains his ability to do evil.

The movie isn't about the killings, it is about the limits of duty. All of the action just sets up the real climax, which is entirely in Tommy Lee Jones's head.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Syt

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
So that was why Wanted was uber retarded.

Not seen the movie, but read the comic. What a steaming pile of puerile megalomaniac god fantasies.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Habbaku

Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
So that was why Wanted was uber retarded.

Not seen the movie, but read the comic. What a steaming pile of puerile megalomaniac god fantasies.

:yes:
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Tonitrus

"Doctor Zhivago"

A well made film, but the dude was a pointless adulterer, who's wife was hotter than the mistress.  And his attraction to her seemed shallow...I couldn't buy the premise that it's some great "love story".

Alec Guinness was the best actor in the film anyway.  Omar Sharif always seems overrated to me.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Tonitrus on February 11, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
the dude was a pointless adulterer, who's wife was hotter than the mistress. 

1 I disagree.
2 Even if so, men have a primal instinct to have as many partners as they can.
3 "Whose"  :P
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Tonitrus

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 11, 2010, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 11, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
the dude was a pointless adulterer, who's wife was hotter than the mistress. 

1 I disagree.
2 Even if so, men have a primal instinct to have as many partners as they can.
3 "Whose"  :P

1 I disagree with your disagreement
2 And a primal instinct to do all sorts of stupid shit...that's why civilization is supposed to keep us from being assholes.
3 Long day, tired.  Meh.

BuddhaRhubarb

Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
So that was why Wanted was uber retarded.

Not seen the movie, but read the comic. What a steaming pile of puerile megalomaniac god fantasies.

So...  unlike most comics? :shifty:
:p

Syt

Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on February 11, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
So that was why Wanted was uber retarded.

Not seen the movie, but read the comic. What a steaming pile of puerile megalomaniac god fantasies.

So...  unlike most comics? :shifty:

:P

Well, most comics don't have the main character evolve from an unlikable loser to an unlikable asshole with no redeeming features. The whole comic seemed to scream, "Look at how cool and evöl and disrespecting I am!!!1111 LOLOLOLOL"
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

BuddhaRhubarb

Somerstown by Shane Meadows. Possibly the sweetest movie to come out of the UK since Little Voice. pleasant funny, and yet not saccharine in the least. good acting from young nerds. One is Polish and kinda gay, the other is a sarcastic geezer in training from the midlands. Fun Stuff. Meadows has yet to make a film I've seen, that I didn't love.

:thumbsup:

New scale rating = :bowler: :) ;) :bowler:
:p

BuddhaRhubarb

Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 01:26:01 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on February 11, 2010, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
So that was why Wanted was uber retarded.

Not seen the movie, but read the comic. What a steaming pile of puerile megalomaniac god fantasies.

So...  unlike most comics? :shifty:

:P

Well, most comics don't have the main character evolve from an unlikable loser to an unlikable asshole with no redeeming features. The whole comic seemed to scream, "Look at how cool and evöl and disrespecting I am!!!1111 LOLOLOLOL"
:shrug:

I liked the main character's arc in the comic much more than the movie. It was fluff, that series. harmless over the top fluff.

The film also, but for different reasons. the "loom of doom" being the silliest thing in movies in quite some time.
:p

Habbaku

Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 01:26:01 PM
Well, most comics don't have the main character evolve from an unlikable loser to an unlikable asshole with no redeeming features. The whole comic seemed to scream, "Look at how cool and evöl and disrespecting I am!!!1111 LOLOLOLOL"

Don't forget the retarded ending wherein Millar decides he'd rather just piss on his fans than write.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Admiral Yi

The Shipping News.  Kevin Spacey is awesome as usual but the movie is pretty meh.  Watch it if there is absolutely nothing else on cable.

I think Buddha is a Newfie.   You ever eat seal flipper pie Buddha?

BuddhaRhubarb

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Quote from: Habbaku on February 11, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2010, 01:26:01 PM
Well, most comics don't have the main character evolve from an unlikable loser to an unlikable asshole with no redeeming features. The whole comic seemed to scream, "Look at how cool and evöl and disrespecting I am!!!1111 LOLOLOLOL"

Don't forget the retarded ending wherein Millar decides he'd rather just piss on his fans than write.

Ya well, that was kinda stupid, but iirc a lot of the hate came from the fact it took him so long to write said crappy ending, then it was crap. I don't want to get into defending Millar, who I think is often a very lazy writer (who loses the thread on very good ideas), but I just don't get all the hate. Just don't read the guy.

I stand by my amusement at that alt.universe he created, that has room to be exploited for more stories and likely never will be.
:p

BuddhaRhubarb

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 11, 2010, 01:34:37 PM
The Shipping News.  Kevin Spacey is awesome as usual but the movie is pretty meh.  Watch it if there is absolutely nothing else on cable.

I think Buddha is a Newfie.   You ever eat seal flipper pie Buddha?

No, I'm a "Herring Choker" aka a New Brunswicker. though I actually don't care for herring. but no I've never had, nor have any interest in seal flipper pie. Most Newfs I know think it tastes awful.
:p

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Tonitrus on February 11, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
"Doctor Zhivago"A well made film, but the dude was a pointless adulterer, who's wife was hotter than the mistress.

Disagree completely.  Lara was much hotter.

QuoteAnd his attraction to her seemed shallow...I couldn't buy the premise that it's some great "love story".

Zhivago is an empty portrayal of the events surrounding him.  Of course he's shallow. 

QuoteAlec Guinness was the best actor in the film anyway.

Disagree completely.  Rod Steiger was.

QuoteOmar Sharif always seems overrated to me.

My mother would kill you if she knew you.