UK-Israel relations hit the rocks over Dubai assanation

[grumbler]

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors.

In that order? 

Viking's ancestors, yes.  They were the ones that traveled in the Short Ships, as distinguished from the other Vikings in Long Ships.

[Siege]

And he damns the whole race.

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors. So fuck you.

And now you are all fags.

How the mighty have fallen.

[Malthus]

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors.

In that order? 

Viking's ancestors, yes.  They were the ones that traveled in the Short Ships, as distinguished from the other Vikings in Long Ships.

[DGuller]

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors.

In that order? 

Viking's ancestors, yes.  They were the ones that traveled in the Short Ships, as distinguished from the other Vikings in Long Ships.

[Agelastus]

You assume that what you see on the TV matches with your guesses as to what was planned and what happened, and then note that "the whole problem" is that you can assume that you can deduce the plan based on what you have seen about it on TV? 

How perfectly circular.  Not at all convincing, but one cannot have everything.

You misinterpret slightly. That line was meant to suggest that the fact that we can see any part of the operation on TV is the whole problem. I am sure the Israelis did not intend to carry out an assassination in the glare of such publicity.

At least you recognize that the use of real passport names/numbers isn't "basically" part of "the whole problem."

Of course not. Inventing identities probably went out with the Fifties. It's far too easy to cross reference such things these days. I merely object to them using passports from a nation they promised they wouldn't do so from, especially given the neccessity of both nation's intelligence services to co-operate against Islamic terrorism. Despite our historical connections to the Middle East, I am sure using our passports was not the only option.

[grumbler]

You misinterpret slightly. That line was meant to suggest that the fact that we can see any part of the operation on TV is the whole problem. I am sure the Israelis did not intend to carry out an assassination in the glare of such publicity.

What we see could all be disinformation, for all we know.  In any case, what we see isn't enough for an objective person (IMO) to call the operation "botched."  It is entirely possible that what we can see, if part of the op, was unavoidably public.

We just don't know enough to tell, let alone to be vehement, IMO.

Of course not. Inventing identities probably went out with the Fifties. It's far too easy to cross reference such things these days. I merely object to them using passports from a nation they promised they wouldn't do so from, especially given the neccessity of both nation's intelligence services to co-operate against Islamic terrorism. Despite our historical connections to the Middle East, I am sure using our passports was not the only option.

You = UK, or something more personal?

I'd be surprised if we knew about all of the passports that were forged, and don't see the outrage that some were from the UK.  Sure, the UK government went through the motions of asking the Israelis to not use UK passports, and sure the Israelis went through the motions of promising they wouldn't.  I am sure HMG will insist on a re-utterance of the promise and that the Israelis will comply.  That will make it great spycraft for the Israeli's to use UK passports in the future.

I'd be surprised to see this having any effect on cooperation against terrorism.  These people are all grown up, and allowing one's own people to die rather than allow someone to give one information that would save them is childish.

[Ender]

Well, there was cctv in that hotel.
What did you guys expected them to do? Abort the mission?
Do you have any idea how hard is to locate a hamas operative that is lying low?
I don't think they would have had a second chance to to spill this cat's water.

I say job well done.

[Ender]

Besides, do we even know if those guys in the vids are the real strike team?
Those could be random tourists used by those Dubai cops so they don't look completely clueless.
After all, they have a dead body to answer for.

[Agelastus]

I'd be surprised to see this having any effect on cooperation against terrorism.  These people are all grown up, and allowing one's own people to die rather than allow someone to give one information that would save them is childish.

Brown and Milliband are more than stupid enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially in an election year.

Unless there are bodyguards, who have not been mentioned, I honestly do not see why it took at least six people and twenty minutes to carry out an assassination of this kind. Get in, get out. Signs of torture (according to some news reports on YouTube) would suggest either the Israelis were indulging in a little revenge, which is unprofessional, or attempting to extract information, in which case it is remarkable he broke so quickly.

On a lighter note, Frank Skinner, having been isolated from all sources of news for a week, successfully guessed that two tennis gear clad individuals were trained assassins, and not members of parliament on a fact finding mission in Dubai (as the other two panelists guessed.)

The show being http://tvrage.com/shows/id-25081/, shown on the the BBC with BBC journalists forbidden from taking part.

[Viking]

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors.

In that order? 

Yes, 923 was a bad year for Erik the Confused.

[Viking]

And he damns the whole race.

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors. So fuck you.

Really?  When did Iceland invade the US?

We invaded your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother well before her bloodline moved to america.

[Neil]

Let's not overstate Israeli professionalism.  I've heard first-hand accounts of IDF troops throwing goats down wells and raping Palestinian children.

[Agelastus]

Let's not overstate Israeli professionalism.  I've heard first-hand accounts of IDF troops throwing goats down wells and raping Palestinian children.

I thought it was the other way round.

[Razgovory]

And he damns the whole race.

My ancestors killed and raped your ancestors. So fuck you.

Really?  When did Iceland invade the US?

We invaded your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother well before her bloodline moved to america.

There were precious few viking raids in to South Germany.  And like 40% of Icelanders are actually descended for Irish slaves.

[grumbler]

Let's not overstate Israeli professionalism.  I've heard first-hand accounts of IDF troops throwing goats down wells and raping Palestinian children.

I thought it was the other way round.

pssst:  those are siegy's stories.