NCAA 2009

[Admiral Yi]

Are we watching the same clip?  The ball is moving around right before he gets hit, he takes about a step and a half, and his head is still turning upfield.

You're probably right.  The clip plays ultra slow for me and I'm misjudging it.

[CountDeMoney]

In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer.  I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list.  Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979.  The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).

And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.

[katmai]

Go Wazzu!

[Ed Anger]

If you can find it, watch the replay of the U on ESPN. Hilarious. Valmy will enjoy the cotton bowl part.

[katmai]

I fucking hate the Canes, no reason to watch a program romancing them.

[Ed Anger]

I fucking hate the Canes, no reason to watch a program romancing them.

Indeed, it was a 2 hour cocksucking session. Still hilarious though.

[Neil]

In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer.  I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list.  Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979.  The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).

And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.

And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues.  And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.

[sbr]

In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer.  I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list.  Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979.  The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).

And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.

Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now.  Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.

[sbr]

And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues.  And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.

He always played pretty well when he got a chance, his chances were just limited due to his size, and possibly because he scabbed during the 1987 strike.

[Neil]

And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues.  And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.

He always played pretty well when he got a chance, his chances were just limited due to his size, and possibly because he scabbed during the 1987 strike.

Yeah, but what kind of a retard would start Rob Johnson, Robo-sack?

[dps]

In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer.  I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list.  Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979.  The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).

And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.

Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now.  Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.

Bullshit.  The QB with the best NFL career of any Heisman winner was Roger Staubach.  Particularly impressive that he had to wait 4 years after getting out of college to start his pro career.

And while Heisman winners in the period of 1976-88 almost all did go on to really good NFL careers, in the Heisman's first 40 years, only Doak Walker, Paul Hornung, Staubach, and O.J. Simpson went into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and only a few others had good, but not HoF-worthy careers.  Although to be fair, until the mid-to-late 50's, the NFL wasn't that big a deal, and some of the early Heisman winners had no interest in playing football professionally.

[sbr]

In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer.  I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list.  Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979.  The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).

And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.

Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now.  Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.

Bullshit.  The QB with the best NFL career of any Heisman winner was Roger Staubach.  Particularly impressive that he had to wait 4 years after getting out of college to start his pro career.

You are right, I wrote that sentence wrong.  I meant to say any Heisman trophy winner after him, until Palmer 16 years later.

[Eddie Teach]

Yep.  East Coast bias big time.  You know the whole South East made damn sure nobody from the West would beat one of their favored sons.

I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.

[Valmy]

I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.

So you are telling the fact the East voted for Ingram is proof that it was not East Coast bias?  This is not quite on Gino Torreta over Marshall Faulk levels of East Coast bias but it was pretty bad.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.

I don't think Gerhart got very much media exposure outside of the West/Southwest until the very end of the season.