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Battle of Marjah, Feb. 2010

Started by citizen k, February 10, 2010, 01:29:10 AM

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QuoteUS poised to seize Afghan town as Taliban dig in
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU and ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press


NEAR MARJAH, Afghanistan – U.S. and Afghan forces pushed Tuesday to the edge of the southern Afghan town of Marjah, poised to seize the major Taliban supply and drug-smuggling stronghold in hopes of building public support by providing aid and services once the insurgents are gone.

Instead of keeping the offensive secret, Americans have been talking about it for weeks, expecting the Taliban would flee. But the militants appear to be digging in, apparently believing that even a losing fight would rally supporters and sabotage U.S. plans if the battle proves destructive.

No date for the main attack has been announced but all signs indicate it will come soon. It will be the first major offensive since President Barack Obama announced last December that he was sending 30,000 reinforcements to Afghanistan, and will serve as a significant test of the new U.S. strategy for turning back the Taliban.

About 400 U.S. troops from the Army's 5th Stryker Brigade and about 250 Afghan soldiers moved into positions northeast of Marjah before dawn Tuesday as U.S. Marines pushed to the outskirts of the town.

Automatic rifle fire rattled in the distance as the Marines dug in for the night with temperatures below freezing. The occasional thud of mortar shells and the sharp blast of rocket-propelled grenades fired by the Taliban pierced the air.

"They're trying to bait us, don't get sucked in," yelled a Marine sergeant, warning his troops not to venture closer to the town. In the distance, Marines could see farmers and nomads gathering their livestock at sunset, seemingly indifferent to the firing.

The U.S. goal is to take control quickly of the farming community, located in a vast, irrigated swath of land in Helmand province 380 miles southwest of Kabul. That would enable the Afghan government to re-establish a presence, bringing security, electricity, clean water and other public services to the estimated 80,000 inhabitants.

Over time, American commanders believe such services will undermine the appeal of the Taliban among their fellow Pashtuns, the largest ethnic group in the country and the base of the insurgents' support.

"The military operation is phase one," Helmand Gov. Gulab Mangal told reporters Tuesday in Kabul. "In addition to that, we will have development in place, justice, good governance, bringing job opportunities to the people."

Marjah will serve as the first trial for the new strategy implemented last year by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. He maintains that success in the eight-year conflict cannot be achieved by killing Taliban fighters, but rather by protecting civilians and winning over their support.

Many Afghan Pashtuns are believed to have turned to the Taliban, who were driven from power in the U.S.-led invasion of 2001, because of disgust over the ineffectual and corrupt government of President Hamid Karzai.

"The success of the operation will not be in the military phase," NATO's civilian chief in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill, told reporters Tuesday. "It will be over the next weeks and months as the people ... feel the benefits of better governance, of economic opportunities and of operating under the legitimate authorities of Afghanistan."

To accomplish that, NATO needs to take the town without causing significant damage or civilian casualties. That would risk a public backlash among residents, many of whose sons and brothers are probably among the estimated 400 to 1,000 Taliban defenders. U.S. aircraft have been dropping leaflets over the town, urging militants not to resist and warning civilians to remain indoors.

Provincial officials believe about 164 families — or about 980 people — have left the town in recent weeks, although the real figure could be higher because many of them moved in with relatives and never registered with authorities.

Residents contacted by telephone in Marjah said the Taliban were preventing civilians from leaving, warning them they have placed bombs along the roads to stop the American attack. The militants may believe the Americans will restrain their fire if they know civilians are at risk.

Mohammad Hakim said he waited until the last minute to leave Marjah with his wife, nine sons, four daughters and grandchildren because he was worried about abandoning his cotton fields in a village on the edge of town. He decided to leave Tuesday, but Taliban fighters turned him back because they said the road was mined.

"All of the people are very scared," Hakim said by telephone. "Our village is like a ghost town. The people are staying in their homes."

Sedwill said NATO hopes that when Marjah has fallen, many Taliban militants could be persuaded to join a government-promoted reintegration process.

"The message to them is accept it," he said. "The message to the people of the area is, of course, keep your heads down, stay inside when the operation is going ahead."

Mangal, the governor, said authorities believe some local Taliban are ready to renounce al-Qaida and give the government a chance.

"I'm confident that there are a number of Taliban members who will reconcile with us and who will be under the sovereignty of the Afghan government," he said.

Ali Ahmad Jalali, a former Afghan interior minister who lectures at the National Defense University in Washington, said the U.S. had little choice but to publicize the offensive so civilians could leave and minimize casualties. He said it would have been impossible to achieve complete surprise because "an operation of this scale cannot be kept secret."

But Jalali added that publicizing the operation may have encouraged hard-core Taliban to stand and fight to show their supporters and the international community that they will not be easily swayed by promises of amnesty and reintegration.

"Normally the Taliban would leave. They would not normally decisively engage in this kind of pitched battle. They would leave and come back because they have the time to come back," Jalali told The Associated Press.

"If there's stiff resistance in Marjah, this could increase the recruiting power of the Taliban or at least retain what they have in that area," he said. "It's become the symbol of Taliban resistance. So I would suspect it's possible there would be stiff rearguard resistance. If it becomes bloody, it would affect opinion in Europe and the U.S."

Jalali also said that success would depend on whether the Afghan government can make good on its promise of services once the battle is over.

"If the coalition can stabilize Marjah, rebuild it and install good governance, that can be an example for other places," he said. "If not, it would be another problem."

Echoing this theory, McChrystal told reporters at a defense conference in Turkey last weekend that it was necessary to tell Afghans that the attack on Marjah was coming so they would know "that when the government re-establishes security, they'll have choices."


Reid reported from Kabul. Associated Press Writers Christopher Torchia in Helmand province, Noor Khan in Kandahar and Tini Tran, Kim Gamel and Amir Shah in Kabul also contributed to this report.





U.S. Marines from the 2nd MEB, 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines stop to make camp outside of Marjah in Afghanistan's Helmand province Tuesday, Feb. 9, 2010.
(AP Photo/David Guttenfelder)




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A British soldier from 11th Light Brigade tests urine samples collected from Afghan police recruits for drugs in Lashkar Gah police training centre February 9, 2010. Out of 25 samples collected, three tested positive for amphetamines and opiates while 15 tested positive for hashish, a British officer said. Those who had failed the test for hashish were forced to stand up and be reprimanded in front of their class of 300 recruits at a parade. One recruit was kicked out of the force for being positive to opiate and amphetamine test.
REUTERS/Baris Atayman




U.S. Marine Brigadier General Larry Nicholson speaks to U.S. Marines from the 2nd MEB, 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines at Belleau Wood outpost outside Marjah in Afghanistan's Helmand province Tuesday, February 9, 2010.
(AP Photo/David Guttenfelder)




In this Jan. 18, 2010 photo, MCpl. Steve Malenfant, center, from Calgary, Alberta of the Canadian Army Reservists attached to Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry out of Shilo, Manitoba is seen during an information gathering patrol in Kandahar City, southern Afghanistan. If the push to electrify Kandahar City succeeds, the potential payoff is great. It would mean lights in the streets at night, access to news broadcasts and the opportunity to grow Kandahar into a manufacturing hub that can compete with neighboring Pakistan.
(AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth)







Syt

QuotePrincess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

Sounds fabulous.
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File photo of German Bundeswehr army soldiers of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) instructing Afghan National police men during their drill in the German army camp in Feyzabad, north of Kabul, September 21, 2008. German Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet approved the deployment of a maximum of 850 additional German troops to Afghanistan February 9, 2010.
REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch/Files



File photo of German Bundeswehr army soldiers from the 263rd paratrooper unit of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) taking cover as they return fire during a firefight with insurgents during a mine sweeping operation in Chahar Dara on the outskirts of Kunduz,



US Marines carry their equipment during a sandstorm in Helmand province. NATO commanders have urged the Taliban to surrender as troops dug in for a major assault on a key insurgent stronghold in southern Afghanistan, sending thousands of residents fleeing.
(AFP/Patrick Baz)

Martinus

Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2010, 01:36:12 AM
QuotePrincess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

Sounds fabulous.

That's what you get when you allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. Saxby Chambliss was right. :(

Habbaku

Quote from: Martinus on February 10, 2010, 02:14:10 AM
Saxby Chambliss

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Barrister

Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2010, 01:36:12 AM
QuotePrincess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

Sounds fabulous.

The PPCLI are one of Canada's most famous, and put upon, units.  :thumbsup:
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KRonn

Good luck to the troops. And as the article, or other articles point out, the aftermath of securing the area, revitalizing and bringing in government services to give people better choices away from the Taliban will be vital to long term success.

Ed Anger

Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2010, 03:29:58 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2010, 01:36:12 AM
QuotePrincess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

Sounds fabulous.

The PPCLI are one of Canada's most famous, and put upon, units.  :thumbsup:

:)

Canada should have kept its Airborne. And used the Van Doos as cannon fodder.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2010, 03:29:58 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 10, 2010, 01:36:12 AM
QuotePrincess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry

Sounds fabulous.

The PPCLI are one of Canada's most famous, and put upon, units.  :thumbsup:

Yet, it is still fucking Bullshit that they are before the Vandoo's in order of preference.
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Josquius

Its weird stuff really, what strikes me as strange is these attacks are very public yet they're still giving them code names.
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Razgovory

Hopefully the bad guys don't read this.
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Jacob

Quote from: Grey Fox on February 10, 2010, 11:15:30 AMYet, it is still fucking Bullshit that they are before the Vandoo's in order of preference.

Why do you think that?

KRonn

Quote from: Razgovory on February 10, 2010, 01:21:33 PM
Hopefully the bad guys don't read this.
:D


But then... according to the bad guys, we're the bad guys!    :ph34r:

Grey Fox

Quote from: Jacob on February 10, 2010, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 10, 2010, 11:15:30 AMYet, it is still fucking Bullshit that they are before the Vandoo's in order of preference.

Why do you think that?

Because the Vandoo has Battalions older then the Patricia's. Sure, in it's current from Patricia is 2 month older then the 22e but the 22e sports Battallions from the 1860s.

Plus regular Quebecism.
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