The Top 10 Conservative Movies of the Last Decade

[jimmy olsen]

I don't really get the point about honor and justice. They aren't opposing concepts for one thing. The opposite of justice is, well, injustice. Or if you prefer, pardon, parole, mercy or compromise. The opposite of honor is something more like shame. So, honor would be more of a collective thing to me, since it comes from a set of expectations of behavior agreed upon as a group--and it deals primarily with how a person is viewed by others. Justice would be more on the individualistic side, since it has more to do with rights.

So, if you are saying that Conservatives are not the opposite of modern liberals... congratulations.  You have gotten to a point many conservatives and modern liberals never get to.  I feel that they are more like baseball players arguing with hockey players.  Baseball players are not the opposite of hockey players, they just pursue different goals.

Actually, baseball players pursue runs instead.

[Razgovory]

 

[BuddhaRhubarb]

I don't really get the point about honor and justice. They aren't opposing concepts for one thing. The opposite of justice is, well, injustice. Or if you prefer, pardon, parole, mercy or compromise. The opposite of honor is something more like shame. So, honor would be more of a collective thing to me, since it comes from a set of expectations of behavior agreed upon as a group--and it deals primarily with how a person is viewed by others. Justice would be more on the individualistic side, since it has more to do with rights.

So, if you are saying that Conservatives are not the opposite of modern liberals... congratulations.  You have gotten to a point many conservatives and modern liberals never get to.  I feel that they are more like baseball players arguing with hockey players.  Baseball players are not the opposite of hockey players, they just pursue different goals.

Ah. I like this idea. The whole idea that lib/con is some sort of primal yin yang or black/white notion is silly at best, yet people cling to it in both camps.

[grumbler]

Actually, baseball players pursue runs instead.

Excellent point; it improves the analogy.

[Sheilbh]

I think both are at times individualistic and collectivist. Liberals (in the US) are certainly not individualistic economically, but they are when it comes to privacy and bedroom politics. The same is true for conservatives, but in reverse.

But there are areas which are both.  Is TV about economics, for example?  Should certain content be restricted or not - that comes from a communal set of values which conservatives hold, economics be damned.  Similarly pornography is more opposed because it's against those values - which are not individual or individualist - equally the American ban on online gambling.  The left has less desire to restrict people's access to them because I think they still rate individual gratification and consumption higher than a collective moral worth, I can't think of anything in terms of economics that liberals don't want you to be able to buy or to do (not just in terms of privacy or bedrooms but dry states, restrictions on opening hours).  They're more about a sort of social auto-erotica while conservatives still believe in some cohesive, communal social fabric that is formed by a set of shared values.