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Your opinion of Stalin?

Started by Faeelin, January 09, 2010, 04:11:32 PM

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DisturbedPervert

Quote from: syk on January 09, 2010, 04:24:10 PMHe describes him/his motivations as a case of non-sexual sadism.

He had an awfully large rape army for a non sexual sadist

ulmont

From what I have read of Stalin, most notably the Simon Sebag Montefiore books - http://www.simonsebagmontefiore.com/ - the overwhelming impression I have gotten is that there was a type of person present in pre-Fall-of-Tsar Russia (ruthless, cold, paranoid), and that Stalin was simply the one of the type that rose to power.  If he had failed, another just like him would have sprung up.  Perhaps it's the depiction in "Young Stalin" that seems to describe Stalin as the rough equivalent of a Jack Welch type, avoiding family for "higher commitments."

As such, Stalin has always struck me as the "best of the worst."

The Brain

Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:58:11 PM
A profoundly unintellectual man

Source? IIRC the Teabag Montefiore Red Tsar book indicated otherwise.
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Syt

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 04:57:53 AM
Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:58:11 PM
A profoundly unintellectual man

Source? IIRC the Teabag Montefiore Red Tsar book indicated otherwise.

grumbler will now cite an obscure academic paper of 639 pages. It will mention Stalin's unintellectuality in a half sentence in a footnote on page 562. Of course grumbler will refuse to tell you where to find it exactly.
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Grallon

Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:58:11 PMsnip

Is there ever a moment when grumbler does not pontificate?

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As for Stalin, I'll simply quote Pétain:

QuotePlus tard, le dictionnaire Larousse dira d'Adolf Hitler: "Chef de bande de l'époque stalinienne..."

or

QuoteIn later days the Larousse dictionary will write about Adolf Hitler: "Gang leader during the stalinist era."




G.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Syt on January 10, 2010, 05:05:29 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 04:57:53 AM
Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:58:11 PM
A profoundly unintellectual man

Source? IIRC the Teabag Montefiore Red Tsar book indicated otherwise.

grumbler will now cite an obscure academic paper of 639 pages. It will mention Stalin's unintellectuality in a half sentence in a footnote on page 562. Of course grumbler will refuse to tell you where to find it exactly.

:lol: ITS FUNNY BECAUSE ITS GRUMBLER

The Brain

grumbler, you may be interested in Chapter 7 Stalin the Intellectual of Montefiore's Red Tsar book. Pages 93-101.
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Darth Wagtaros

He was supposed to be very crude adn vulgar.  Once while his daughter was serving tea to he and his minions he asked the room at large, "I wonder who is fucking her lately?" or something to that effect.

PDH!

grumbler

Quote from: Grallon on January 10, 2010, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:58:11 PMsnip

Is there ever a moment when grumbler does not pontificate?
:lmfao:

Why don't you give the whiny emo thing a rest?
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grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:09:36 AM
grumbler, you may be interested in Chapter 7 Stalin the Intellectual of Montefiore's Red Tsar book. Pages 93-101.
You might be interested in that as well.   :cool:

Do a gooble books search.  That chapter is mostly in there.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 10, 2010, 10:17:47 AM
He was supposed to be very crude adn vulgar.  Once while his daughter was serving tea to he and his minions he asked the room at large, "I wonder who is fucking her lately?" or something to that effect.

Sounds like a concerned father.  :)
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The Brain

Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:09:36 AM
grumbler, you may be interested in Chapter 7 Stalin the Intellectual of Montefiore's Red Tsar book. Pages 93-101.
You might be interested in that as well.   :cool:

Do a gooble books search.  That chapter is mostly in there.

I have the book in front of me. Aren't you gonna shoot down the contents?
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grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:43:22 AM
I have the book in front of me. Aren't you gonna shoot down the contents?
:huh:  You feeling okay?  Are you drunk?  Unfunny babbling like this isn't typical of the Brain we have come to know and love.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

The Brain

Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:43:22 AM
I have the book in front of me. Aren't you gonna shoot down the contents?
:huh:  You feeling okay?  Are you drunk?  Unfunny babbling like this isn't typical of the Brain we have come to know and love.

You don't make much sense now. I am almost getting the feeling you're avoiding the topic we are discussing.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
You don't make much sense now. I am almost getting the feeling you're avoiding the topic we are discussing.
I thought you were babbling about "shoot down the contents" of some book.  I have no interest in that, so there isn't a "discussion" going on there.

The discussion I was participating in was "your opinion of Stalin," and I have no interest in engaging in some side discussion about "shoot down the contents" of a book I haven't even read.

You wanna discuss Stalin, join the conversation the rest of us are having.  You want to discuss Montefiore's book, find someone who cares about that and discuss away.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!