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Your opinion of Stalin?

Started by Faeelin, January 09, 2010, 04:11:32 PM

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DGuller

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 10, 2010, 10:17:47 AM
He was supposed to be very crude adn vulgar.  Once while his daughter was serving tea to he and his minions he asked the room at large, "I wonder who is fucking her lately?" or something to that effect.
Yes, he was.  He almost got himself booted from power by insulting Lenin's wife while Lenin was still nominally alive. 

The Brain

Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
You don't make much sense now. I am almost getting the feeling you're avoiding the topic we are discussing.
I thought you were babbling about "shoot down the contents" of some book.  I have no interest in that, so there isn't a "discussion" going on there.

The discussion I was participating in was "your opinion of Stalin," and I have no interest in engaging in some side discussion about "shoot down the contents" of a book I haven't even read.

You wanna discuss Stalin, join the conversation the rest of us are having.  You want to discuss Montefiore's book, find someone who cares about that and discuss away.

Is your opinion of Stalin still that he was a profoundly unintellectual man?
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Queequeg

He was also insanely funny, like all Russian Tyrants.  IIRC, he once made Khrushchev dance the hopak in front of him.   :lol:
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grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 11:30:02 AM
Is your opinion of Stalin still that he was a profoundly unintellectual man?
Yes, of course it is.  Stalin is dead.  He couldn't do anything to change my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone else propose any historical evidence that contradicts my belief.
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Martinus

Quote from: Ape on January 09, 2010, 05:12:08 PM
What is worse, being invaded by Hitler's Nazi-Germany, or being 'liberated' by Stalins Sovietunion?  :hmm:

Oh, from the perspective of the conquered countries, Stalin was much much better. He focused on his own people mainly, unlike Hitler.

Martinus


The Brain

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Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 11:30:02 AM
Is your opinion of Stalin still that he was a profoundly unintellectual man?
Yes, of course it is.  Stalin is dead.  He couldn't do anything to change my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone else propose any historical evidence that contradicts my belief.

Would you be at all interested in seeing what Montefiore has to say about it?

Edit: Btw grumbler, I am not trying to trick you into anything. It's just that while I always knew that Stalin was intelligent I didn't learn that he was an intellectual until I read M's book. I just found it interesting, 'sall.
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grumbler

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 11:30:02 AM
Is your opinion of Stalin still that he was a profoundly unintellectual man?
Yes, of course it is.  Stalin is dead.  He couldn't do anything to change my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone else propose any historical evidence that contradicts my belief.

Would you be at all interested in seeing what Montefiore has to say about it?
I only read the one chapter on Google books, and it seemed to me that Montefiore wasn't much interested in the topic (his chaper on "Stalin the Intellectual" was about Stalin's interactions with intellectuals, not about anything that Stalin produced that would show him as an intellectual himself).  I certainly believe Montefiore when he says that Stalin called himself an intellectual, but if Montefiore has evidence that Stalin actually was an intellectual, I would be interested in seeing it.  Stalin's statements about art serving the party certainly is unintellectual.

Would you be at all interested in talking about what Montefiore has to say about it, rather than talking about whether I am "gonna," for some reason, "shoot down the contents?"  If you have an actual argument, rather than an unfunny troll, by all means make it.  Your dancing around the topic bores me, and if that's all you are interested in, I am done with this topic.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Fate

Don't feed the grumtroll, kthnx.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Fate on January 10, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
Don't feed the grumtroll, kthnx.

Better to just say don't feed the grumbler. "Grumtroll" is an abomination.
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Razgovory

Judging from CdM AAR of TOC he was a crappy commander.
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Razgovory

Also I tend to agree with Grumbler's analysis.  Though it should be noted that not "intellectual" doesn't mean not "intelligent".
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Syt

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2010, 09:43:37 AM
:lol: ITS FUNNY BECAUSE ITS GRUMBLER

He played the opposed move in this matchup, though. Instead of citing obscure sources he refutes them because they don't address the precise point he argues. As usual, he declares victory unless his opponent jumps through all the nitpicky loops he holds up for them.
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The Brain

Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 11:30:02 AM
Is your opinion of Stalin still that he was a profoundly unintellectual man?
Yes, of course it is.  Stalin is dead.  He couldn't do anything to change my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone else propose any historical evidence that contradicts my belief.

Would you be at all interested in seeing what Montefiore has to say about it?
I only read the one chapter on Google books, and it seemed to me that Montefiore wasn't much interested in the topic (his chaper on "Stalin the Intellectual" was about Stalin's interactions with intellectuals, not about anything that Stalin produced that would show him as an intellectual himself).  I certainly believe Montefiore when he says that Stalin called himself an intellectual, but if Montefiore has evidence that Stalin actually was an intellectual, I would be interested in seeing it.  Stalin's statements about art serving the party certainly is unintellectual.

Your reading comprehension is poor, your intellect is weak and you are a troll. I see you haven't changed a bit since 2003. :)
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Syt

Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Your reading comprehension is poor, your intellect is weak and you are a troll. I see you haven't changed a bit since 2003. :)

And now you'll get chewed out for adhomming him, avoiding to make your point which will prompt him to claim you have no point to make in the first place.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.