Andrew Sullivan: US should institute a 2 state solution by force

[jimmy olsen]

Yes, I can see how such a military intervention would be quite feasible especially compared to the neocon adventure in Iraq you're always bitching about.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/01/sick-of-the-israelis-and-the-palestinians.html#more

06 Jan 2010 02:08 pm
"Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians

Ben Rhodes has denied that Rahm said this to the Israelis. Well, it sure sounds like Rahm.

More to the point, who wouldn't be sick of the Israelis and the Palestinians at this point?

I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.

And if Rahm Emanuel is sick of them all, one can imagine how the average American feels. My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.

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[Fate]

There will be a one state solution.

[Neil]

Siegebreaker would shoot up whatever military base he was at.

[Ed Anger]

I'm waiting for Andrew Sullivan to drop dead from the AIDS.

[Valmy]

Yes, I can see how so such a military intervention would be quite feasible especially compared to the neocon adventure in Iraq you're always bitching about.

This is different.  He is sick of them.

[Martinus]

The post quoted by Tim seems like something I could disagree with 100%.

[Grallon]

There are only 2 long term solutions to this endless conflict:


- either the jews close the shop and abandon Israel
- or they offer full union with the palestinians.. in which case they'll be outbred before long and become a minority.

Well a 3rd outcome *is* possible; if Iran launches nukes against Israel the israelis will retaliate and the whole region might blow...




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[Faeelin]

Sigh. Sullivan's the reason I regret that the US lifted the HIV travel ban.

[Valmy]

- either the jews close the shop and abandon Israel
- or they offer full union with the palestinians.. in which case they'll be outbred before long and become a minority.

You do know that the Jewish women in Israel breed at a rate of 2.88 children per woman, you know, almost twice that of Quebec.  That is ridiculously high for a country with western style life expectancy.  How the Palestinians will manage to outbreed that 'before long' boggles the mind.

So unless the Arabs have cloning machines Israel/Palestine will collapse due to water shortages or mass starvation long before the Arabs outbreed them.

[Martinus]

Sigh. Sullivan's the reason I regret that the US lifted the HIV travel ban.

WTF. He seems like a decent bloke.

Edit: Actually I just read his wiki entry and he seems like someone who would fit on Languish.

[Faeelin]

Sigh. Sullivan's the reason I regret that the US lifted the HIV travel ban.

WTF. He seems like a decent bloke.

Eh. I don't approve of HIV+ people who engage in unprotected sex via online hookups and then ramble on about gay families.

I also don't approve of the fact that he called me an "authoritarian part of the left" over the summer.

[Martinus]

Did he refer to you specifically?

[Grallon]

I also don't approve of the fact that he called me an "authoritarian part of the left" over the summer.

It seems he sized you up pretty well - you alway striked me as the log cabin type. 




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[Martinus]

I also don't approve of the fact that he called me an "authoritarian part of the left" over the summer.

It seems he sized you up pretty well - you alway striked me as the log cabin type. 




G.

Wouldn't a log cabin type be the opposite of the "authoritarian left"? In fact, Sullivan is the log cabin type.

[Martinus]

Besides, as the gay rights movement progresses, I imagine more and more gays will come out as "log cabin" types. A lot of gays are upper middle class professionals who are only in an alliance of convenience with the left. Once we get what we want we will jump off that bandwagon and demand lower taxes instead.