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Started by Martinus, December 20, 2009, 06:39:33 AM

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Martinus

QuoteGay activists praise rugby star Gareth Thomas's decision to come out
Speculation is growing that other gay sports stars may follow suit



The shock decision by rugby union player Gareth Thomas to announce that he is gay has triggered speculation that other sports stars might come out. Thomas is Wales's most-capped player and a former British and Irish Lions captain. The fact that he has confirmed his sexuality while still playing the game has been praised by gay rights campaigners.

Yesterday the 6ft 3in, 16-stone rugby star said he hoped he could make a difference to others struggling with their sexuality. "I just want to thank everyone for the amazing response I have received, on behalf of me, my family and friends," Thomas said. "I hope that by saying this I can make a big difference to others in my situation."

But he said he did not want to be known as a "gay rugby player" and hoped people would treat his sexuality as "irrelevant" to his career. "What I choose to do when I close the door at home has nothing to do with what I have achieved in rugby," he said. "I'd love for it, in 10 years' time, not to even be an issue in sport, and for people to say: 'So what?'"

Thomas, who came on as a substitute for his team Cardiff Blues as they lost 23-7 to Toulouse in the Heineken Cup quarter-final yesterday, said the secret of his sexuality was like a "ticking bomb" which he had tried to suppress. "I just couldn't ignore it any more," he told the Daily Mail.

"It is very positive Gareth has come out while he is still an active player," said gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell. "Many of the sports people who have declared their homosexuality have tended to do so after their careers are over.

"Rugby is a very macho sport and has traditionally had a very robust he-man, heterosexual image so it is really great that he has had the guts to be honest with himself and his fans. Hopefully this will ease the way for other gay and bisexual players to also come out."

There was overwhelming support for Thomas on internet fan sites and in online chatrooms. Many said they were not surprised. In the Welsh rugby community, Thomas's sexuality has been the subject of gossip for more than a decade.

Delme Parfitt, who co-wrote Thomas's autobiography, predicted the player would endure catcalls at matches. "Thomas is almost certainly going to have to turn a deaf ear to the odd wolf-whistle, or worse, homophobic insult," Parfitt wrote in the Western Mail. "But the truth is, those barbs were already coming his way long before he decided to go public."

Yesterday Thomas received the full backing of both the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) and Cardiff.

"He is most probably one of the most popular players among his peers," said Roger Lewis, WRU group chief executive. "While Gareth's private life is entirely irrelevant to his career as an international sportsman it would be remiss of the WRU not to remind him of the high esteem in which he is held in the game in Wales at a time when he has decided to bring such personal reflections to public notice."

Robert Norster, Cardiff Blues chief executive, said: "Gareth Thomas is a credit to Cardiff Blues who has truly brought honour to the jersey as a formidable player and a strong leader. His private life is his own concern and we will continue to acknowledge him for the qualities he brings to the squad as a player and an individual who exemplifies the values of commitment, determination and fair play we expect from our team."

Thomas said he decided to go public about his sexuality to "send a positive message" to other gay people, especially young people considering a career in sport. "It has been really tough for me, hiding who I really am, and I don't want it to be like that for the next young person who wants to play rugby, or some frightened young kid," he said.

A supporter of the children's charity NSPCC, Thomas added: "I don't know if my life is going to be easier because I'm out, but if it helps someone else, if it makes one young lad pick up the phone to Childline, then it will have been worth it."

He said he knew from the age of 16 or 17 that he was gay but could not accept it and feared his sexuality would affect his playing career. He made up stories about girls to fit in with his male friends and felt he was sometimes overly aggressive as he played the straight man.

Thomas, who said he was never attracted to a team-mate, said rugby was his "saviour" as playing allowed him to escape from his personal confusion.

But he realised in summer 2006 that he could no longer live a lie. He told his wife, Jemma, that he was gay and felt as if his life was "falling apart" as his four-year marriage broke down. He recalled how he broke down in tears in the changing rooms of the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, after playing for Wales in November 2006 and confided his secret to coach Scott Johnson. Thomas said: "After keeping it secret for so long, I felt a huge rush of relief. Scott said: 'Right, I've got to speak now to three or four players in the Welsh team because you need the boys to surround you and support you. You can't cope with this on your own,' and he was right.

"He told two of my team-mates, Stephen Jones and Martyn Williams, and as I sat in the bar waiting for them, I was absolutely terrified, wondering what they were going to say. But they came in, patted me on the back and said: 'We don't care. Why didn't you tell us before?'"

He admitted cheating on Jemma with male partners and said he considered suicide as he felt so "horrible and guilty". He said he still loved his estranged wife, who he describes as "the nicest person in the world".

Thomas's decision to come out as a gay man is unusual but not unprecedented. Earlier this year Irish hurling star Dónal Óg Cusack, 32, announced he was gay. Welsh rugby Referee Nigel Owens came out in 2007. The same year, after his retirement from the US NBA basketball league, John Amaechi confirmed that he was gay in his memoir, Man In The Middle.

However, homosexuality is still considered taboo in many sports. Tatchell drew a comparison between rugby and football. "It is interesting that a couple of rugby and ex-rugby players have come out in recent years but still not a single professional football player," Tatchell said. "However, given there are 500 professional football players, statistically about 50 of them are probably gay or bisexual yet none have felt able to be open about their sexuality. Quite a few fear negative reactions from team-mates and fans and others are anxious they might lose sponsorship. Others feel their clubs would not be supportive."

Is this news? I thought all rugby players were gay?

But seriously, cool move. Sports is one of the "celebrity" areas where coming out is still a big step and often can destroy a career.

Waiting for Brazen's comments in particular. :P

The Brain

It's funny how gay people marry women under false flag in this day and age.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Sheilbh

I wouldn't say 'rugby players from Wales are gay!' too loud if you're ever in Swansea Mart :P
Let's bomb Russia!

Josquius

When I saw this on the news I couldn't help but wonder; will this man be rolling in dick?
Being a big tough macho rugby bloke should play well with homos right?

One potentially worrying outcome I can see here is when Wales play some African or Oceanian country whose knowledge of homosexuality is similar to that of a typical 10 year old kid. You could get some Fijian (or whatever) players refusing to play him....will be interesting.
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Martinus

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 20, 2009, 07:20:46 AM
I wouldn't say 'rugby players from Wales are gay!' too loud if you're ever in Swansea Mart :P

I'm trolling for Brazen's reaction. :ph34r:

Viking

1) Thomas is a winger, half his team mates already knew he was gay.
2) Thomas is a "player" not a "players"[sic]
3) He's a Lions Captain, he don't need to prove his manliness to nobody.


If however Gavin Henson came out



nobody would be surprised.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Martinus

Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2009, 08:47:37 AM
When I saw this on the news I couldn't help but wonder; will this man be rolling in dick?
Being a big tough macho rugby bloke should play well with homos right?

One potentially worrying outcome I can see here is when Wales play some African or Oceanian country whose knowledge of homosexuality is similar to that of a typical 10 year old kid. You could get some Fijian (or whatever) players refusing to play him....will be interesting.

Wtf. Why is this a worrying outcome? If they don't want to play, then it's a default win.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Viking on December 20, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
If however Gavin Henson came out

nobody would be surprised.
Well, Charlotte Church :P
Let's bomb Russia!

Viking

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Martinus

Personally, ever since I've seen the annual French rugby team calendar "Dieux du Stade" (Gods of the Stadium), I began rooting for the blue shirts:







Sheilbh

Let's bomb Russia!

Viking

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 20, 2009, 09:38:28 AM
Quote from: Viking on December 20, 2009, 09:36:04 AM
If however Gavin Henson came out

nobody would be surprised.
Well, Charlotte Church :P

she probably already knows if she is a fag hag or not...
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Josquius

Quote from: Martinus on December 20, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Wtf. Why is this a worrying outcome? If they don't want to play, then it's a default win.
Which of course is very good for rugby.
I think the impact may just go a little bit deeper than that.
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Martinus

Quote from: Sheilbh on December 20, 2009, 09:42:12 AM
Do you have rugby in Poland?

Not really. I mean, probably some people play it as a hobby but there is no championship or league that I am aware of. Poland is squarely in the football world (soccer for the Yanks), with some offshoots into volleyball and basketball.