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Started by Malthus, December 11, 2009, 03:41:48 PM

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Pat

The Brain: What do you perceive to be the problem with the Swedish legal system, exactly?

The Brain

Quote from: Pat on December 15, 2009, 02:08:00 PM
The Brain: What do you perceive to be the problem with the Swedish legal system, exactly?

What do you mean? The sucking machine judge was American IIRC.
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dps

Quote from: sbr on December 15, 2009, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 15, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 15, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Minimum sentences are a cheap political trick to try and show you are Tough on Crime TM.  Let the judges determine criminals' sentences, not legislators.
that would work nice if the judges were giving pedophiles more than 3 years in jail for raping a child.  Or if they weren't considering the anal sex like a mitigating factor given the preservation of virginity on the child.

Then you need new judges or new laws, that don't involve minimum sentences.  When you set minimum sentences you end up with a 17 year old boy spending 5 years in prison for having consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.   My problem is that the minimum sentences don't give the judge ANY leeway in sentencing, they are the experts in deciding the law, the legislators are the "experts" (used very loosely) in writing the laws.

The problem there is with having laws that make it criminal for a 17-year old boy having consenual sex with a 16-year old girl in the first place, not with having minimum sentencing.

Stonewall

Quote from: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 14, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
I know a dozen or so.  The most interesting of whom was this guy.  Went into the woods, and killed 2 campers with an AK-47. 


Any particular reason, or were campers just in season?

I think it was more a matter of they just happened to be the people he came across.  It was textbook random act of violence done for no real reason other than that he could.
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DGuller

Quote from: Stonewall on December 15, 2009, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 15, 2009, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 14, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
I know a dozen or so.  The most interesting of whom was this guy.  Went into the woods, and killed 2 campers with an AK-47. 


Any particular reason, or were campers just in season?

I think it was more a matter of they just happened to be the people he came across.  It was textbook random act of violence done for no real reason other than that he could.
Did you get him off?

Neil

Quote from: viper37 on December 15, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
I can't imagine why anyone would be in favour of such a thing.
You are being sarcastic or you are actually defending the Bloc's position?
The Bloc is defending my position.  Mandatory sentencing is evil.
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jimmy olsen

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Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 08:11:22 PM

The Bloc is defending my position.  Mandatory sentencing is evil.
I thought you wanted most criminals to be executed?
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Neil

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 15, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 15, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
I can't imagine why anyone would be in favour of such a thing.
You are being sarcastic or you are actually defending the Bloc's position?
The Bloc is defending my position.  Mandatory sentencing is evil.
I thought you wanted most criminals to be executed?
So?

It is the job of judges to impose sentences as appropriate.  If a judge imposes inappropriate sentences, then he should be fired (and possibly executed).
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 08:21:48 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 15, 2009, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 15, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
I can't imagine why anyone would be in favour of such a thing.
You are being sarcastic or you are actually defending the Bloc's position?
The Bloc is defending my position.  Mandatory sentencing is evil.
I thought you wanted most criminals to be executed?
So?

It is the job of judges to impose sentences as appropriate.  If a judge imposes inappropriate sentences, then he should be fired (and possibly executed).
:lol:
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point