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Started by citizen k, December 09, 2009, 02:34:59 AM

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QuoteAP sources: Dems reach deal to drop gov't-run plan
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON – After days of secret talks, Senate Democrats tentatively agreed Tuesday night to drop a full-blown government-run insurance option from sweeping health care legislation, several officials said, a concession to party moderates whose votes are critical to passage of President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

In its place, officials said Democrats had tentatively settled on a private insurance arrangement to be supervised by the federal agency that oversees the system through which lawmakers purchase coverage, with the possibility of greater government involvement if needed to ensure consumers of sufficient choices in coverage.

Additionally, the emerging agreement calls for Medicare to be opened to uninsured Americans beginning at age 55, a significant expansion of the large government health care program that currently serves the 65-and-over population.

At a hastily called evening news conference in the Capitol, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined to provide details of what he described as a "broad agreement" between liberals and moderates on an issue that has plagued Democrats' efforts to pass health care legislation from the outset.

With it, he added with a smile, the end is in sight for passage of the legislation that Congress has labored over for months.

The officials who described the details of the closed-door negotiations did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss them publicly. Several officials stressed that so far, Democrats had technically agreed only on submitting proposals to the Congressional Budget Office for their impact on the bill's cost and other analysis.

At its core, the legislation would expand health care to millions who lack it, ban insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions and rein in the rise of health care spending nationally.

The developments followed a vote on the Senate floor earlier in the day in which abortion opponents failed to inject tougher restrictions into sweeping health care bill, and Democratic leaders labored to make sure fallout from the issue didn't hamper the drive to enact legislation. The vote was 54-45.

Taken together, the day's developments underscored the complexity that confronts the administration and Reid as they seek the 60 votes needed to overcome Republican opposition and pass a bill by Christmas. Despite their reluctance, some senators had talked openly and in detail earlier in the day about the progress of the negotiations.

The provision in the legislation to be dropped under the emerging agreement provides for a government-run insurance option to be available to consumers, with individual states permitted to drop out. Liberals have long sought such as arrangement, as a means of forcing competition on insurance companies.

One participant in the talks, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, referring to a deal among the negotiators, told reporters he didn't like it, but added, "I'm going to support it to the hilt" in hopes of securing passage of the health care bill.

Another senator involved, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., issued a statement saying, "I do not support proposals that would replace the public option in the bill with a purely private approach. We need to have some competition for the insurance industry to keep rates down and save taxpayer dollars." But he did not rule out voting for the measure.

The White House quickly applauded the developments. "Senators are making great progress and we're pleased that they're working together to find common ground toward options that increase choice and competition," said a spokesman, Reid Cherlin.

In his comments to reporters, Reid said the emerging compromise "includes a public option and will help ensure the American people win in two ways: one, insurance companies will face more competition, and two, the American people will have more choices."

It wasn't clear what he meant by a "public option," the Medicare expansion or a fallback in case private insurance companies declined to participate in the nationwide plan envisioned to be overseen by the Office of Personnel Management. One possibility was for the agency to set up a government-run plan, either national in scope or on a state-by-state basis.

Under the tentative agreement, liberals lost their bid to expand Medicaid, the federal-state program that provides health care for the poor, elderly and disabled. But they prevailed on the Medicare expansion, and the negotiators appeared ready to maintain a separate health care program for children until 2013, two years longer than the bill currently calls for, according to officials familiar with the details.

Additionally, there was consensus support for a requirement long backed by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., and other liberals for insurance companies to spend at least 90 percent of their premium income providing benefits, a step that supporters argue effectively limits their spending on advertising, salaries, promotional efforts and profits.

Reid — the chief architect of the health care bill as well as an abortion opponent — played a prominent role in the debate over attempts by conservatives to toughen restrictions in the Senate measure. "No one should use the health care bill to expand or restrict abortion," he said, arguing that abortion foes were attempting to do just that. "And no one should use the issue of abortion to rob millions of the opportunity to get good health care."

The current legislation would ban the use of federal funds to pay for abortion services under insurance plans expected to be offered in a new health care system, except in cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

Individuals who receive federal subsidies to purchase insurance under the plans would be permitted to use personal funds to pay for abortion services — the point on which the two sides in the dispute part company.

"Segregation of funds is an accounting gimmick," said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., the chief Democratic supporter of tightened restrictions. "The reality is federal funds would help buy coverage that includes abortion."

Abortion rights supporters, Senate Democratic women most prominently, countered heatedly.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said abortion opponents were driven by ideology, and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., called the proposed changes "a very far-reaching intrusion into the lives of women."

The amendment that Nelson, Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and numerous Republicans proposed would also have barred insurance plans from covering abortions except in the three categories if any of their policyholders received federal subsidies. It also would have required insurance companies that offer no-abortion plans to make available a policy that offers such services.

In all, 50 Democrats, two Republicans and two independents voted to kill the abortion proposal. Thirty-eight Republicans and seven Democrats favored it.


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Not surprised, this has looked like the inevitable end point for months. Indeed I would have been surprised if it had gone the other way.
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Fate

Public option bad. More single payer good.

I don't understand conservative Democrats.

Neil

Well, looks like the US has failed at health care again.  Maybe they'll try again in a generation.

Still, it's not that surprising.  There was a lot of money to lose for the industries that have made health care their business.
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Grallon

Quote from: Neil on December 09, 2009, 07:37:49 AM
Well, looks like the US has failed at health care again.  Maybe they'll try again in a generation.

Still, it's not that surprising.  There was a lot of money to lose for the industries that have made health care their business.


It's quite pathetic really - but then again one can't go against one's own limitations.



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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on December 09, 2009, 03:24:11 AM
Well what the fuck is the point then? :mad:
Covering those without coverage, subsidizing those with pre-existing conditions.

House version still has public option with state opt out.  Interesting to see how it plays in conference.

Grey Fox

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Caliga

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Admiral Yi

It provides me no end of amusement how politicized such an essentially trivial aspect of health care has become.  It's approaching Swiftian proportions of absurdity.

Caliga

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 08:20:25 AM
It provides me no end of amusement how politicized such an essentially trivial aspect of health care has become.  It's approaching Swiftian proportions of absurdity.
That's the way all political wedge issues work, though.  It's nothing new. :mellow:
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Iormlund

At least it gives us something to discuss. The thread at EUOT in particular is highly amusing. Libertarians.  :bleeding:

Grey Fox

Quote from: Caliga on December 09, 2009, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 09, 2009, 08:13:28 AM
You guys are still afraid of progress socialism, eh.
:yes:

BS. Your Federal government already pays more money per capita then the canadian government does.

Progress.

Also if you are afraid of socialism what about you stop regulation the Airline industry?
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Caliga

Quote from: Grey Fox on December 09, 2009, 08:29:33 AM
BS. Your Federal government already pays more money per capita then the canadian government does.

Progress.

Also if you are afraid of socialism what about you stop regulation the Airline industry?
Where did I say I didn't think that wasteful government spending per capita wasn't a huge problem as well? :yeahright:

I'm not sure that all regulation of the airline industry is socialist in nature, really.  What sort of regulation are you referring to?
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