Anti-Minaret Online Referendum

[Martinus]

I don't have a problem with mosques and minarets. General zoning laws apply to them of course.

I am sceptical of the mosques that are operated by Turkey or Saudi Arabia in Germany. I would prefer if they were paid for by something like the German church tax for the Catholic and Lutheran church and were independent of foreign governments.

Aren't Catholic churches operated by Vatican?

[Barrister]

I don't have a problem with mosques and minarets. General zoning laws apply to them of course.

I am sceptical of the mosques that are operated by Turkey or Saudi Arabia in Germany. I would prefer if they were paid for by something like the German church tax for the Catholic and Lutheran church and were independent of foreign governments.

Aren't Catholic churches operated by Vatican?

Catholic churches are operated by the local diocese, under the guidance of the Vatican.

I was involved in suing the Church a number of years ago, and they have quite a convoluted legal structure.  Which coincedentally makes it very difficult to collect judgements against the Church.

[Sheilbh]

I am sceptical of the mosques that are operated by Turkey or Saudi Arabia in Germany. I would prefer if they were paid for by something like the German church tax for the Catholic and Lutheran church and were independent of foreign governments.

If that's the case in Germany that'd be a sensible option, but imagine the screams of the Grallons and the supporters of banning architectural features of a building, or the German equivalent of the Daily Mail/Sun. 

[Zanza]

Aren't Catholic churches operated by Vatican?

Not in Germany. The Roman Catholic Church of Germany is a statuary corporation operating under German public law and special "state church law" that applies to those (statuary) corporations that are considered religious or similar organisations. Other organisations operating in a similar legal status are the Lutheran and various other Protestant and Orthodox churches, various Jewish organisations, Jehova's Witnesses, and even some atheist organisations. The Muslims have not yet created an organisation that would fulfill the requirements. The Church of Scientology did not get that legal status by the way as they were considered commercial, not religious.

One of the most important things about this status is that the tax authorities will levy church taxes based on your income tax for the organisation that you belong to. The organisations can set that tax rate themselves but the federal state parliaments have to agree. Most of the smaller churches etc. do not use this though.

[Zanza]

If that's the case in Germany that'd be a sensible option, but imagine the screams of the Grallons and the supporters of banning architectural features of a building, or the German equivalent of the Daily Mail/Sun.

I don't think anybody would scream. I suppose that the tabloids and Grallons of Germany have more faith in having it operate in Germany under our own laws than having foreign governments furthering their agenda through those mosques.

[CountDeMoney]

The first motherfucker that wakes me up on a Saturday morning with a megaphoned call to prayer on top of a minaret gets a fertilizer bomb.

[Admiral Yi]

Just read an article in Time about Dearborn, Michigan, the most Muslim city in America. Context was the Ft. Hood shootings and fear of a backlash.  Population is 1/3 Muslim, there are 10 mosques in town.  Fun fact: kids in Dearborn public schools get Muslim holidays off. 

No mentions of architectural harmony or calls to prayer at 5 AM.

[PDH]

I am an american, I want to be woken early saturday morning by a moron in a pickup truck revving his engine.  That or a lawnmower.

[CountDeMoney]

No mentions of architectural harmony or calls to prayer at 5 AM.

Local noise ordnances > 1st Amendment

[BuddhaRhubarb]

I thought this said "Ann Margaret poll" at first. Sadly I was wrong

[Grallon]

Incidently I found a site with muslim gay porn... Quite arousing!  So different from the overly staged, overly expressive straight guys doing gay porn for money one gets from the US or Europe.



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[Malthus]

Incidently I found a site with muslim gay porn... Quite arousing!  So different from the overly staged, overly expressive straight guys doing gay porn for money one gets from the US or Europe.



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Suddenly, a certain poster begain to re-think his opposition to Muslim immigration ...  

[Grallon]

Suddenly, a certain poster begain to re-think his opposition to Muslim immigration ...  

On muslim minarets at any rate. 




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[Solmyr]

His towering minaret rose steadily, dominating the view.

[CountDeMoney]

Speaking of faggot Mooselimbs, where's Vile Wahabbist?  He still post on EUOT, or is he dead now?