What if the WTC towers had fallen over, rather than imploded?

Started by Berkut, November 12, 2009, 08:21:45 PM

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Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 12, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
I doubt they'd fall over like a tree; rather, after having tipped over enough, the building structure itself would break apart. Skyscapers aren't designed to hold up very well when tilted.


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Berkut

Yeah, that is a good point - you look at the buildings, and imagine them as giant stiff beams that would fall over like a log, but they probably don't really have any lateral structural strength? Just disintegrate downwards as the fell...
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Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 12, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
I doubt they'd fall over like a tree; rather, after having tipped over enough, the building structure itself would break apart. Skyscapers aren't designed to hold up very well when tilted.


Haven't you seen the previews for 2012?  Building can flip over and roll along the ground, smashing thousands.

It's a Disaster! :w00t:
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Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 12, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
I doubt they'd fall over like a tree; rather, after having tipped over enough, the building structure itself would break apart. Skyscapers aren't designed to hold up very well when tilted.


Haven't you seen the previews for 2012?  Building can flip over and roll along the ground, smashing thousands.

It's a Disaster! :w00t:
Skywalker we're after!
PDH!

DGuller

I don't think the buildings the size and shape of WTC can actually fall over.  They'd break up the moment they get any significant lean.

dps

Quote from: Maximus on November 12, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
IIRC that's what the original WTC bombing was supposed to do.

Yeah, but as others have posted, it probably wouldn't have worked, even if the blast had been big enough.

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Alatriste

Actually buildings are quite less solid than most persons believe, both laterally and vertically. If structural supports fail suddenly (for example, in controlled demolitions) not only their own weight makes them collapse instantly... but each floor crumbles into a million small pieces as it falls.

In other words, you can't topple skyscrapers, because floors and walls aren't rigid enough to transmit the strength of a impact. Rather, they disintegrate as if they were made of paper.   

Zanza

The WTC was about 400 meters high. Even if it fell without breaking apart, it would at best have destroyed about three more blocks. That's not the scale of a small nuke. The total destruction radius of the Hiroshima bomb was about a mile with serious destruction reaching much further. 

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Or... what if they crashed into Times Square on New Year's Eve?  Hmm...  ouch. :osama:
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The Larch

Quote from: Zanza on November 13, 2009, 03:18:33 AM
The WTC was about 400 meters high. Even if it fell without breaking apart, it would at best have destroyed about three more blocks. That's not the scale of a small nuke. The total destruction radius of the Hiroshima bomb was about a mile with serious destruction reaching much further.

My memory is a bit iffy on this, but if they could hit a few blocks away, they could have taken Wall Street with them.

grumbler

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on November 12, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
I doubt they'd fall over like a tree; rather, after having tipped over enough, the building structure itself would break apart. Skyscapers aren't designed to hold up very well when tilted.

It'd still cause more damage to the immediate surrounding area, though.
This.  There would be little sideways movement vectors for the building's debris, because there would be no structure strong enough to convert much of the vertical vector to a horizontal one (unlike a tree).
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Quote from: The Larch on November 13, 2009, 05:13:40 AM
My memory is a bit iffy on this, but if they could hit a few blocks away, they could have taken Wall Street with them.
That would have saved more money than it cost.
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