Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to be tried in NYC for 9/11 attacks!

Started by jimmy olsen, November 13, 2009, 06:23:55 AM

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Strix

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.

Probation? He'll probably get time served.  :lol:
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derspiess

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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 13, 2009, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: KRonn on November 13, 2009, 10:40:08 AM
Yeah, I wonder how things got botched enough so that a military tribunal wasn't able to be used. I think the errors and miscues there are the fault of the Bush admin. And I do fear this may turn into an odd show trial, to liven the hearts and minds of extremists types everywhere.

I wouldn't be so pessimsitic - this may be a deliberate decision that the evidence is so strong there is nothing to lose by using a regular court.  As derspiess suggests, there is good reason to believe the federal criminal system is more than capable of dealing with a case like this.

:D Okay that was pretty good.   But seriously, I'm sure if convicted, KSM will end up as isolated & neutralized as the other dude. 
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Quote from: Strix on November 13, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.

Probation? He'll probably get time served.  :lol:
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Quote from: Strix on November 13, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:55:30 AM
I wonder where he'll get to live during his probation after he's done his time.

Probation? He'll probably get time served.  :lol:

While that could argueable be true in Canada, but in the US? :blink:
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grumbler

Quote from: Barrister on November 13, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
While that could argueable be true in Canada, but in the US? :blink:
In the US, the concept of "time served" exists.  Did you, a lawyer, not know this? :blink:
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Faeelin

Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?

So a judge who isn't in the military hears their case before they're convicted. What's the difference?

The Brain

We still remember OJ. I'd say he has a 50-50 chance to walk.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?

Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?

Confessions and subsequent evidence as a result of 183 waterboardings have a tendency to fall under that whole Fourth Amendment thing.


The Minsky Moment

Quote from: The Brain on November 14, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
We still remember OJ. I'd say he has a 50-50 chance to walk.

Federal court in SDNY != SoCal state court.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?

Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?

Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 14, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?

Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?

Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?

They say they do, but I dunno.  The Fourth Amendment is a pretty powerful defense.

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derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 14, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 14, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Can someone tell me why people are angry they're going to get a civilian trial?

Because so much of the evidence might be considered tainted, perhaps?

Is it possible that the AG has considered this fact and concluded that there is still more than enough non-tainted evidence to proceed?

Or maybe Holder plans to bring in the black panthers to intimidate the jury into giving the verdict he wants (whichever one that is).
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall