Oh, those whacky Cossacks and their military aspirations

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November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
QuoteRussia plans reactivation of two Kirov-class cruisers

The Russian Federation Navy (RFN) is to reactivate two laid-up Kirov-class (Project 1144) battle cruisers, according to statements attributed by Russian media to the country's deputy defence minister.

Colonel General Vladimir Popovkin reportedly said that the Ministry of Defence has decided to renovate and modernise its heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (tiazhyeliy atomniy raketniy kreiser/TARK) units Admiral Lazarev (ex- Frunze ) and Admiral Nakhimov (ex- Kalinin ).

The 24,300-ton ships were commissioned into the Soviet Navy in 1984 and 1988, the second and third vessels in a class that eventually numbered four. Col Gen Popovkin made no mention of the lead ship, Admiral Ushakov (ex- Kirov ), which entered service in 1980 and was decommissioned in 2004, appearing to confirm earlier reports that it is to be scrapped.

The RFN currently has one ship of the class in service, Pyotr Velikiy (ex- Yuri Andropov , ex- Kuibishev ), which was launched in St Petersburg in 1989 and commissioned in 1998.

I suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.

Warspite

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November 11, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
And we'll decommission more of our navy!
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#2
November 11, 2009, 06:56:12 PM
To make you feel better Seedy, there are 6 Burke's under construction.

However, no new Tico's
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Razgovory

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November 11, 2009, 07:33:11 PM
Oh I'm sure that's money well spend. 
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Josquius

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November 11, 2009, 08:24:11 PM
Russia trying to become a naval power is a good thing. They will surely fail but its money away from the army whilst they're doing it.
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Viking

#5
November 11, 2009, 08:29:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PM

I suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.

Screw them, lets do what the ruskis did in the '60s, build anti ship missiles.

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First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
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CountDeMoney

#6
November 11, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 11, 2009, 08:29:20 PM
Screw them, lets do what the ruskis did in the '60s, build anti ship missiles.

Why the hell not, there's no more ABM Treaty.

ALCMs for everybody!

HisMajestyBOB

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November 11, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Warspite on November 11, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
And we'll decommission more of our navy!

There's still time for you guys to cancel your two new carriers, too.  :P
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Jacob

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November 11, 2009, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PMI suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.

This is probably less about measuring up to the US and more about being able to bully various ex-Soviet republics and Europeans with coastlines.

DontSayBanana

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November 11, 2009, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
QuoteRussia plans reactivation of two Kirov-class cruisers

The Russian Federation Navy (RFN) is to reactivate two laid-up Kirov-class (Project 1144) battle cruisers, according to statements attributed by Russian media to the country's deputy defence minister.

Colonel General Vladimir Popovkin reportedly said that the Ministry of Defence has decided to renovate and modernise its heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (tiazhyeliy atomniy raketniy kreiser/TARK) units Admiral Lazarev (ex- Frunze ) and Admiral Nakhimov (ex- Kalinin ).

The 24,300-ton ships were commissioned into the Soviet Navy in 1984 and 1988, the second and third vessels in a class that eventually numbered four. Col Gen Popovkin made no mention of the lead ship, Admiral Ushakov (ex- Kirov ), which entered service in 1980 and was decommissioned in 2004, appearing to confirm earlier reports that it is to be scrapped.

The RFN currently has one ship of the class in service, Pyotr Velikiy (ex- Yuri Andropov , ex- Kuibishev ), which was launched in St Petersburg in 1989 and commissioned in 1998.

I suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.

We've got the New Jersey sitting right in Camden; all they'd really need to do is unweld the gun ports. :contract:
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CountDeMoney

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November 11, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 11, 2009, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PMI suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.

This is probably less about measuring up to the US and more about being able to bully various ex-Soviet republics and Europeans with coastlines.

Some of which are in NATO.  And when it comes to dick-measuring contests, I want us to pull out enough to win.

CountDeMoney

#11
November 11, 2009, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 11, 2009, 09:24:21 PMWe've got the New Jersey sitting right in Camden; all they'd really need to do is unweld the gun ports. :contract:

That's a no-go, sailor.  We need to maintain the New Jersey where it is, as a strategic location for any future Bon Jovi concerts.

Jacob

#12
November 11, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 09:24:46 PMSome of which are in NATO.  And when it comes to dick-measuring contests, I want us to pull out enough to win.

It warms my heart that when it comes to feckless Euros in Nato versus Russia, you're still on the side of the Euros  :hug:

As for dick-measuring, isn't it better to put in rather than pull out?  In any case, I'm just assuming the US wins... is it even an issue?

Neil

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November 11, 2009, 09:32:58 PM Last Edit: November 11, 2009, 09:37:35 PM by Neil
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
I suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.
Is that a real response, given that the missile destroyers the US is building are several times more combat effective, and much less likely to suffer a critical reactor failure and sink?
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CountDeMoney

#14
November 11, 2009, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 11, 2009, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
I suggest we recommission the Iowa and Wisconsin in response.
Is that a real response, given that the missile destroyers the US is building are several times more combat effective, and much less likely to suffer a critical reactor failure and sink?

Yes it is.  Particularly since the BBs could be staffed with smaller crews with greater automation.

And, we still have outstanding Naval Gunfire Support issues.
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