Is Israel Too Strong for America?

[Viking]

Anyone who opposes colonization is inherently immoral.

This isn't even really colonization.  The Gauls got Wine from the Romans.  We gave the Native Americans liquor and guns.  Israel gives the Palestinians...what?

Water and Electricity and until the palestinians started blowing themselves up on busses; Jobs.

[Queequeg]

Water and Electricity and until the palestinians started blowing themselves up on busses; Jobs.

They have to get permission to walk across the street if they live near a settlement. They are stifling economic activity in the West Bank at every opportunity, intended or not.   

[Eddie Teach]

I thought the Romans gave them water?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

[Hansmeister]

And frankly, fuck anyone who accuses me of being an anti-Semite.  I was as staunch a supporter of Isreal as anyone until the Gaza campaign and the attack on Tony Judt. 

With that said, I don't think it is an excuse to attack civilian areas, or to colonize nations.  It is wrong in Cyprus, and it is wrong in the  non-ethnically Armenian areas of Nagorno-Kharabakh, and it is wrong in the West Bank, particularly as Mahmoud Abbas isn't a bad sort.

So basically you were pro-israeli until they dared to defend themselves from rocket attacks on israeli villages.  What a bunch of uppity jews thinking they have the right of self-defense.

The fact that you think that Abbas "isn't a bad sort" is quite telling.  I guess at least he isn't one of those filthy jews, so when he sends suicide bombers to blow up school buses that's alright.

[Queequeg]

Hans, I'm not having this conversation.  I went to a Jewish Pre-School.  I wanted to convert to Judaism since about age five.  Almost all the girls I've ever had a crush on were Jewish.  Frankly, the Jews were the first people I was obsessed with.  My interest in Russia grew out of the fact that most Chicago Jews have roots in Russia, and, well, the parallels between the Armenians and Jews are everywhere. 

If I'm concerned about anything, it is that Netanyahu's colonization will end up biting Israel in the ass and will be bad for Israel and the Jewish people in the long run.  Unlike you, you brownshirt fuck.

[Admiral Yi]

What attack on Tony Judt?

[Eddie Teach]

Hans, I'm not having this conversation.  I went to a Jewish Pre-School.  I wanted to convert to Judaism since about age five.  Almost all the girls I've ever had a crush on were Jewish.  Frankly, the Jews were the first people I was obsessed with.  My interest in Russia grew out of the fact that most Chicago Jews have roots in Russia, and, well, the parallels between the Armenians and Jews are everywhere. 

*cue Caliga commenting about how Jewish women give great bjs*

[Camerus]

Hans is almost more machine than man.  But I think he needs a new patch.

[garbon]

Some of my best friends are jews.

[Jos Theelen]

By the way I think it is absurd to the point of comedy that pressure is put on the Israelis to help out the Palestinians.  Why should they do that?

For money and for peace.

If the present situation is continued for too long, a new intifadah will emerge. And many Palestinians will support more and more the extremists, like Hamas and Hezbollah. Not a very peaceful future.

These days, Europe pays mainly for the "Palestinian state". Police, hospitals, schools, the administration on the West bank are  kept alive by European subsidies. If this situation goes on, Europe could decide that this "Palestinian state" isn't a real state, but a country occupied by Israel and stop paying for it. That means that Israel is responsable for the situation in the West Bank, so they have to pay for police, health care, etc. That's one of the reasons why Netanyahu recognised the "Palestinian state" at the start of his government. It was too expensive to deny that.

[dps]

It's pretty clear that Isreali settlements in the West Bank are an obstacle to peace, but it's also clear that it's not the main obstacle, and even removing them (much less merely stopping the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing ones) isn't going to lead to peace,

[Jos Theelen]

It is clear that expanding settlements sends this message to the Palestinians: "fuck you".
What the response to that message will be is unpredictable, but not very positive.

[Caliga]

*cue Caliga commenting about how Jewish women give great bjs*

There is no need as you have done my work for me, good sir.

[Neil]

These days, Europe pays mainly for the "Palestinian state". Police, hospitals, schools, the administration on the West bank are  kept alive by European subsidies. If this situation goes on, Europe could decide that this "Palestinian state" isn't a real state, but a country occupied by Israel and stop paying for it. That means that Israel is responsable for the situation in the West Bank, so they have to pay for police, health care, etc. That's one of the reasons why Netanyahu recognised the "Palestinian state" at the start of his government. It was too expensive to deny that.

Pretty unlikely, given Europe's large Muslim population, high level of antisemitism and unwillingness to make bold international moves.

[Jos Theelen]

These days, Europe pays mainly for the "Palestinian state". Police, hospitals, schools, the administration on the West bank are  kept alive by European subsidies. If this situation goes on, Europe could decide that this "Palestinian state" isn't a real state, but a country occupied by Israel and stop paying for it. That means that Israel is responsable for the situation in the West Bank, so they have to pay for police, health care, etc. That's one of the reasons why Netanyahu recognised the "Palestinian state" at the start of his government. It was too expensive to deny that.

Pretty unlikely, given Europe's large Muslim population, high level of antisemitism and unwillingness to make bold international moves.

The likelihood is proportional to the number of settlements  on the West Bank.