NJ girl, 14, arrested after posting nude pics

Started by garbon, March 27, 2009, 08:44:55 AM

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Martinus

#30
March 27, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 27, 2009, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
No no you need to give them firm boundaries or they will not have anything to rebel against, which teenagers need.  But going hysterical is just ridiculous, making them criminals even worse.

But not turning them into sex criminals is not the same as being as permissive as possible.

Indeed.  Unfortunately, you can't give your gets a beating when they act up. :(
err what?

garbon

#31
March 27, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
It's called "moral panic"

Thanks for explaining moral panic. :rolleyes:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

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garbon

#32
March 27, 2009, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:45:05 AM
err what?

Why did you edit my post like that? <_<
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

DGuller

#33
March 27, 2009, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
It's called "moral panic" - a situation in which some real (e.g. child abuse) or perceived (e.g. "witchcraft") negative behaviour generates such a level of social outrage, it is no longer possible to engage in a reasoned debate about the issue, as anyone who attempts to do that is labelled a supporter of the negative behaviour in question. So even if some politician or a public figure refuses to fall prey to the mass hysteria, he or she is unlikely to challenge such legal excesses, because that would make them an all-to-easy target for an attack as "pedophilia supporters" etc.
I was going to say something very similar, but you said it better.

garbon

#34
March 27, 2009, 10:50:22 AM
Wtf? Why are some posters acting as though moral panic has never been discussed on languish? :unsure:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Berkut

#35
March 27, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: KRonn on March 27, 2009, 10:28:24 AM
This stuff is going too far, eh? We have kids being charged with sexual crimes for sending, receiving and/or passing on photos. Some of it may be warranted, if kids post nude pics of others on the internet, or something like that. Or as noted above in an article where parents are fighting back, some of those are just non-nude photos sent to friends - all of a sudden that gets lumped into a sex abuse category. How did we get to such a paranoia, while trying to clamp down on sexual abuse and abuse of children? It's like we leave rationality at the door or something.
It's called "moral panic" - a situation in which some real (e.g. child abuse) or perceived (e.g. "witchcraft") negative behaviour generates such a level of social outrage, it is no longer possible to engage in a reasoned debate about the issue, as anyone who attempts to do that is labelled a supporter of the negative behaviour in question. So even if some politician or a public figure refuses to fall prey to the mass hysteria, he or she is unlikely to challenge such legal excesses, because that would make them an all-to-easy target for an attack as "pedophilia supporters" etc.

Example:

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Valmy

#36
March 27, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 27, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Example:

AIG bonuses.

That is a great example.  Outrage is a terrible thing to base government laws and policy on.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Caliga

#37
March 27, 2009, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 10:56:15 AMThat is a great example.  Outrage is a terrible thing to base government laws and policy on.

...which is funny, since it seems like most modern legislative initiatives are based precisely on that.

The solution: do away with democracy. :)
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DGuller

#38
March 27, 2009, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 27, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Example:

AIG bonuses.

That is a great example.  Outrage is a terrible thing to base government laws and policy on.
I wouldn't be quite so general.  Outrage can sometimes be a catalyst for people to finally recognize the stupidity of things.  For example, if people get outraged about this particular case, then maybe there will be a backlash against sex offender laws.  That would certainly be a good thing.

derspiess

#39
March 27, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
But not turning them into sex criminals is not the same as being as permissive as possible.

Didn't say it was.  I was just making a point about all the folks who get worked up about any sort of "sexual repression".
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

#40
March 27, 2009, 11:54:44 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 27, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
It's called "moral panic"

Thanks for explaining moral panic. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on March 27, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 27, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
It's called "moral panic"

Thanks for explaining moral panic. :rolleyes:

Marty is the poster child for moral panic :D
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

garbon

#41
March 27, 2009, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 27, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
Didn't say it was.  I was just making a point about all the folks who get worked up about any sort of "sexual repression".

I also love all those folks who don't have an opinion either way.  It's like, god, make up your mind!
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#42
March 27, 2009, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 27, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
Didn't say it was.  I was just making a point about all the folks who get worked up about any sort of "sexual repression".

I agree I was just clarifying my position.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Nickname Who Was Thursday

#43
March 27, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 27, 2009, 10:50:22 AM
Wtf? Why are some posters acting as though moral panic has never been discussed on languish? :unsure:

First time I've ever seen the expression. :mellow:
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Admiral Yi

#44
March 27, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on March 27, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
First time I've ever seen the expression. :mellow:
Same for me.  I would have called it something like lynch mob psychology.
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