2010 Could Easily Be Disastrous For Democrats

Started by jimmy olsen, October 01, 2009, 02:37:04 PM

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Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
As a Republican I want that.

Why are you a Republican?  What sorts of things do you think they will do if they take control of both houses of Congress again in 2010?

He likes to hang around with people who hate him?
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Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Yes, and I am charitable.  I just don't like forced charity.

Well I think there are certain structural elements that could be reformed yes?  You are not actually saying the broken health care system is great and dandy I presume.  We discussed this earlier and you indicated you were in favor of some sort of reform.

After all there is the way the insurance works is that it discourages small businesses and the self employed by giving making them pay enormous prices for insurance while big business gets all sorts of breaks.  The worker with a family to think of might decide it is safer to simply work for big business and get his insurance than venture out on his own.
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Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2009, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:36:12 PM
To the opponents of Obama's health care plan: how do you propose to address the fact that a portion of the American population has no health care and can't get one because they are unemployed, can't afford one and/or cannot get one due to an existing illness (e.g. people suffering from HIV)?

Or is this not a concern to you?


My biggest concern is the extent that health care costs are skyrocketing and the middle man, the insurance companies, have all the power and a ridiculous amount of the costs goes to the overhead of supporting this middle man.

I feel that if we can get that under control we have a chance of the market becoming more accessible in the future.  The leftist solution is to create a competing public option to drive down prices but I think that has the potential to blow up the federal budget in the future and I hope more moderate reforms can be tried first.

I can only hope the Republicans see the need to reform the system even if they come to power because I believe it is needed.  Reforms that might be able to address the problems alot of people have in getting coverage as well that hopefully will not continue to saddle us with huge and unsustainable entitlement costs.

Ok. So you are saying that you do not like the Democrat idea because it costs money, but you offer no alternative solution, just platitudes.

I wonder if the big hole in the federal budget that you predict would be sealed if you just spent the money that were wasted on the Iraqui invasion, on the healthcare of your own people instead.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on October 01, 2009, 03:43:56 PM
He likes to hang around with people who hate him?

Dude, Republicans don't hate Mexicans.  :rolleyes:
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Strix

Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
Why are you a Republican?  What sorts of things do you think they will do if they take control of both houses of Congress again in 2010?

A better question is what sort of things have the Democrats done that would justify them maintaining their seats? Why be a Democrat?

I could be wrong but Bush never went to any Republican governor and told them not to seek re-election. I also could be wrong in noting that the Republicans never created a law to appoint a replacement Senator only to have that law expire once a Democrat has taken the seat as they did in MA.

The country has a lot of issues and problems at the moment but this has seemed to escape the notice of the Democrats who are too busy trying to consolidate power to actually USE that power for the good of the people.



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Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:45:38 PM
Ok. So you are saying that you do not like the Democrat idea because it costs money, but you offer no alternative solution, just platitudes.

I wonder if the big hole in the federal budget that you predict would be sealed if you just spent the money that were wasted on the Iraqui invasion, on the healthcare of your own people instead.

Compared to the money we spend on entitlements today the money for the Iraq war is pocket change.  Our government already spends more on providing health care per capita than any other country in the world right now.
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derspiess

Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
social conscience.

:bleeding:

Why not throw "social justice" & the word "progressive" in there as well.
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Jaron

Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
social conscience.

:bleeding:

Why not throw "social justice" & the word "progressive" in there as well.

Is it your position that citizens of our great republic should have no responsibility to one anothers well being?
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Valmy

Quote from: Strix on October 01, 2009, 03:46:36 PM
A better question is what sort of things have the Democrats done that would justify them maintaining their seats? Why be a Democrat?

Hence why I am neither.  To the extent I support the Democrats it is because I am fundamentally opposed to social conservatism.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Strix

Quote from: Jaron on October 01, 2009, 03:48:47 PM
Is it your position that citizens of our great republic should have no responsibility to one anothers well being?

Should they?
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
Then I'm glad I do not live in a country where greed and egoism trump compassion and social conscience.
I'm generally for health care reform.  I used to have serious concerns about the Trojan Horse effect on the deficit of a public option before it was killed off, and still have serious concerns about the effect of employer mandates on large, low wage companies (i.e. Walmart). 

But here's what I don't get about angry liberals like Mike Moore hyperventilating about uninsured Americans: why don't you go ahead and do it yourself?  Why not pick one or more deserving people and buy them health insurance?  Pick a person with expensive pre-existing conditions that can't afford insurance on the open market.  Call up some like-minded friends, pool your capital and form a non-profit insurance company that would provide "quality, affordable insurance." 

Martinus

If you find nothing wrong in the fact that people die of curable illnesses in the richest and most scientifically developed nation on Earth, then I don't really have anything to say.

I hope you will enjoy your revolution, when it eventually comes.

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Well I think there are certain structural elements that could be reformed yes?  You are not actually saying the broken health care system is great and dandy I presume.  We discussed this earlier and you indicated you were in favor of some sort of reform.

Oh, I do believe there is a need for reform & would like to see more competition & efficiency in the healthcare industry.  And yes, it would be nice if more people were covered.  I prefer free-market solutions, however, not more government involvement.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
If you find nothing wrong in the fact that people die of curable illnesses in the richest and most scientifically developed nation on Earth, then I don't really have anything to say.
My guess is you'll come up with something anyway.

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on October 01, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
If you find nothing wrong in the fact that people die of curable illnesses in the richest and most scientifically developed nation on Earth, then I don't really have anything to say.

Who exactly are you addressing?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."