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Russian-Belarussian Wargames - "West 2009"

Started by Martinus, September 24, 2009, 04:16:52 AM

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Neil

Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2009, 07:14:11 PM
Question:  Has the Norwegian attitude towards Russia deteriorated or improved since the collapse of communism?
Now Norway can legitimately hate Russia since they no longer have ideological reason to oppress their own people. I suspect you approve.
While I approve of the hatred of Russia, I have a hard time looking upon peoples who are soft on leftism with anything but contempt.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2009, 07:14:11 PM
Question:  Has the Norwegian attitude towards Russia deteriorated or improved since the collapse of communism?
Now Norway can legitimately hate Russia since they no longer have ideological reason to oppress their own people. I suspect you approve.
While I approve of the hatred of Russia, I have a hard time looking upon peoples who are soft on leftism with anything but contempt.

Norwegians are leftists and do not hate themselves. I do my best to change that.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

It turns out that Zapad2009 is only part of the military exercises going on around Russia's borders. Onega2009 is happening on the Norwegian border near. In effect it seems to be exercising the transport of a para brigade from Yekaterinburg to Petsamo (it's not called Petchenga you Russian Imperialist scum) and manoeuvres by the Russian Atlantic Fleet. 

Which is actually worrying because Norway rarely has more than 3-5 F-16s operational (out of a total of 48) at any time.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Agelastus

Quote from: Syt on September 25, 2009, 05:38:31 AM
Cold War style sabre rattling. :wub:

Makes the "peace dividend" look even more like nonsense than it did then, doesn't it...
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Ideologue

I understand that Russia's nuclear second-strike capabilities are still in a shitty state, is this correct?  Would a preemptive strike be worthwile?
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Zoupa

France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

Because they're in the EU and in NATO?
Three lovely Prada points for HoI2 help

Barrister

Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Zoupa

Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?

We didn't? :huh:

Zoupa

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 25, 2009, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

Because they're in the EU and in NATO?

It was just a jab at Martinus' paranoia.

HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?

We didn't? :huh:

It was all the Austrian's fault. :shifty:
Three lovely Prada points for HoI2 help

Barrister

Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?

We didn't? :huh:

Sorry, I saw a chance to make an anti-French quip and I took it. :blush:

But no, it's not like France (or Britain) did a hell of a lot during the 1939-1940 period to help poor Poland.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Drakken

Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2009, 01:21:18 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?

We didn't? :huh:

Sorry, I saw a chance to make an anti-French quip and I took it. :blush:

But no, it's not like France (or Britain) did a hell of a lot during the 1939-1940 period to help poor Poland.

To be honest, France and England didn't expect Poland to reach debellatio within 3 weeks.

On paper, the Poles had an Army strong enough to reasonanly expect it to withhold the Germans at least until Winter, which would have given time to the French and English to organise their first offensive.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2009, 01:21:18 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 25, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
France is 90% nuclear and could export energy if needed.

In a fight-to-the-death-total-war scenario, France and England would blow the russian airforce out of the sky within a week.

I don't see why we'd lift a finger for Poland though.

I agree - you didn't do anything in 1939, so why change now?

We didn't? :huh:

Sorry, I saw a chance to make an anti-French quip and I took it. :blush:

But no, it's not like France (or Britain) did a hell of a lot during the 1939-1940 period to help poor Poland.

Well, since when is going to war for nearly 6 years nothing? Must have missed the memo