How Many Books Have You Read So far In 2009 ?

[Agelastus]

Indeed.  Extra-lame.  On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that any BSG fanfic could possibly be as stupid as the source material turned out.

Hmmm...Barrister expresses interest and then retreats into "that's drek, I would never read it". Cute...

Hey Ide, reading better ideas than the stupidity they put on screen is what it is all about; try "The Consequences of not being Polite" for a good non-crossover fanfiction.

[Ape]

try "The Consequences of not being Polite" for a good non-crossover fanfiction.

Don't that one is horrible 

Yes, let's everyone have an doppelganger..... 

[Agelastus]

try "The Consequences of not being Polite" for a good non-crossover fanfiction.

Don't that one is horrible 

Yes, let's everyone have an doppelganger..... 

Yes, that is a tad much (now I've remembered what you mean.) What's your problem with the rest of it though?

[Ideologue]

Indeed.  Extra-lame.  On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that any BSG fanfic could possibly be as stupid as the source material turned out.

Hmmm...Barrister expresses interest and then retreats into "that's drek, I would never read it". Cute...

Hey Ide, reading better ideas than the stupidity they put on screen is what it is all about; try "The Consequences of not being Polite" for a good non-crossover fanfiction.

Well, I hate pretty much all crossovers when it hasn't been established that it's a shared universe--it's not a dislike limited to fanfic.

And that is the good thing about FF (virtually the medium/genre/whatever's sole redeeming factor)--it sometimes manages to take a good idea with poor execution (or a bad idea with bad execution) and make it worthwile.

[ulmont]

Well, I hate pretty much all crossovers when it hasn't been established that it's a shared universe--it's not a dislike limited to fanfic.

How exactly does one establish that a universe is shared prior to a crossover, exactly?

[Ideologue]

Well, I hate pretty much all crossovers when it hasn't been established that it's a shared universe--it's not a dislike limited to fanfic.

How exactly does one establish that a universe is shared prior to a crossover, exactly?

Yeah, I thought I poorly worded that, but didn't want to edit.

How about, "I hate crossovers when it has clearly been established that it's not a shared universe"?  In which case, Homicide and Law and Order crossing over are fine, and the universe-building and universe-sharing of the early days of the Marvel universe are cool, but Superman and Spider-Man are obviously not occupying the same planet Earth.  (Sometimes it's not really apparent that Superman and Batman are occupying the same planet Earth, but that's a different discussion really.)

In the Superman/Spider-Man kind of crossover, where the two properties have made each other mutually exclusive, you either have to invent an entirely new universe--and this sometimes works--or have some sort of universe-crossing event which is almost always gimmicky and lame.

As I noted, the former sometimes works.  A good example of that is the Planetary/JLA crossover, which basically creates a whole new universe for each property, with heavier doses of the Planetary (Wildstorm) universe than the JLA (DC) universe.  In that, Supes, Wonder Woman, and Batman are fighting Elijah Snow, who has used his habit of cataloguing the weird to launch himself as the corporate ruler of the world, making trillions off of advanced, arcane, and alien technologies that would otherwise have been lost.  In other words, it's a totally different universe than either properties inhabited outside of the crossover.  And it works very well, telling an engaging and compelling short story.

The Planetary/Batman crossover is a good example of the latter approach.  It is mildly entertaining, but it's mainly just "Look!  Batman!  Elijah Snow!  Check it out!  Look!"

Taking the Battletech/BSG notion, these two properties are totally mutually exclusive, which I have discovered despite not knowing jack about Battletech by the simple expedient of determing that one takes place in (spoiler for something that happened last year, which anyone who cares already knows )

the 31st century A.D., the other in the 1000th century B.C.

Edited, amongst other reasons, for an order of magnitude.  God I hate BSG.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

Dude let it go. it's over now.

[Ideologue]

Dude let it go. it's over now.

It's all happened before, and it'll all happen again, if we let it.

[Ape]

Yes, that is a tad much (now I've remembered what you mean.) What's your problem with the rest of it though?

The überwankingtech of the earthlings 

[Razgovory]

Yes, that is a tad much (now I've remembered what you mean.) What's your problem with the rest of it though?

The überwankingtech of the earthlings 

Does the internet qualify as "überwankingtech"?

[Ed Anger]

  God I hate BSG.

Smart lad.

STARBUCK IS A MAN.

[ulmont]

In case anyone is interested I can really recommend the Armageddonhttp://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=118771 a well Judeo-christian fanfic, story is what would happen if Hell tried to invade earth today. Starting point about a year ago.

Sequal Pantheocide http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=134719

This is surprisingly good.  I think that the hysterical reaction of humanity is extremely lowballed, but all things considered I'm surprised Baen didn't bid for this book.

[ulmont]

As I noted, the former sometimes works.  A good example of that is the Planetary/JLA crossover, which basically creates a whole new universe for each property, with heavier doses of the Planetary (Wildstorm) universe than the JLA (DC) universe.

Blech.  Planetary is already a parody of the JLA universe; a Planetary/JLA crossover is like a Spiderman/Spider-Ham crossover.

[Agelastus]

Yes, that is a tad much (now I've remembered what you mean.) What's your problem with the rest of it though?

The überwankingtech of the earthlings 

Explained rationally (as rationally as anything can be when it depends on an uber-powerful race forgetting to dismantle a base.)

And at least the existence of this uber-powerful race meddling away let's him explain "virtual Baltar" and "virtual Six".

[Agelastus]

Taking the Battletech/BSG notion, these two properties are totally mutually exclusive, which I have discovered despite not knowing jack about Battletech by the simple expedient of determing that one takes place in (spoiler for something that happened last year, which anyone who cares already knows )

the 31st century A.D., the other in the 1000th century B.C.

Edited, amongst other reasons, for an order of magnitude.  God I hate BSG.

Yes, the ending is enough to make one want to go and erase the existence of a few people connected with the series from all of history.

However, I would consider the sheer idiocy of the canonical ending to be a prime reason to write a different one - and if you are doing that, then the canonical "it all happened 50000 years or more in the past" can go straight into the crapper where it belongs. Leaving things open for a crossover with the fictional universe of your choice.