Baucus Releases Bill With No Republican Support

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Hansmeister

#30
September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
It's a retarded way to force people to buy health insurance, and blatanly unconstitutional to boot.  It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing into law.
How's it unconstitutional?

What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?

jimmy olsen

#31
September 16, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
It's a retarded way to force people to buy health insurance, and blatanly unconstitutional to boot.  It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing into law.
How's it unconstitutional?

What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?
Don't many states mandate that people buy car insurance? If that hasn't been struck down, why would this be?
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MadImmortalMan

#32
September 16, 2009, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Don't many states mandate that people buy car insurance? If that hasn't been struck down, why would this be?

Those are state laws?
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Hansmeister

#33
September 16, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
It's a retarded way to force people to buy health insurance, and blatanly unconstitutional to boot.  It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing into law.
How's it unconstitutional?

What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?
Don't many states mandate that people buy car insurance? If that hasn't been struck down, why would this be?
No State has a mandate that you buy car insurance.

MadImmortalMan

#34
September 16, 2009, 06:51:40 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
No State has a mandate that you buy car insurance.



I see what you did there.


"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Faeelin

#35
September 16, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?

I guess you also believe social security is unconstitutional?

garbon

#36
September 16, 2009, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on September 16, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
social security is unconstitutional?

If only...:weep:
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KRonn

#37
September 16, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
I'm hearing some of the same old negativities about this latest "newest" bill.   :(

Neil

#38
September 16, 2009, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
It's a retarded way to force people to buy health insurance, and blatanly unconstitutional to boot.  It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing into law.
How's it unconstitutional?
What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?
Don't many states mandate that people buy car insurance? If that hasn't been struck down, why would this be?
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Hansmeister

#39
September 16, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 16, 2009, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on September 16, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
social security is unconstitutional?

If only...:weep:

I know.  Pre-FDR it would've been considered unconstitutional, but the health care mandate goes far beyond that in violating the constitution.

They'd be on sounder footing if they simply advocated a large tax increase and then offering tax credits to buy health insurance.

DGuller

#40
September 16, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: KRonn on September 16, 2009, 07:36:55 PM
I'm hearing some of the same old negativities about this latest "newest" bill.   :(
I'm sure you'd hear them even if Baucus played a prank and actually released the full text of War and Peace.

jimmy olsen

#41
September 16, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on September 16, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
It's a retarded way to force people to buy health insurance, and blatanly unconstitutional to boot.  It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing into law.
How's it unconstitutional?

What article of the Constitution permits Congress to mandate that people buy insurance?
Don't many states mandate that people buy car insurance? If that hasn't been struck down, why would this be?
No State has a mandate that you buy car insurance.

If you want to drive a car you have to have insurance. Of course, one can simply choose not to own a car if you want, but that's not really a choice for a vast majority of adults.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
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DontSayBanana

#42
September 16, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 16, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
Different concept.  Minsky defined "ponzi finance" as financing in which the interest or carrying cost exceeds the current income available to make payments.  It is a concept that relates primarily to business financing, although it can be applied to individuals.  PIK instruments would be a real world example of Minskyite "ponzi finance".  When Ponzi finance begins to come prevelant, that is a sign that the boom has reached unsustainability and the system becomes unstable and prone to collpase.

That was understood. I was stretching to illustrate those that are living beyond their means, even though they look like they should be able to subsist on paper.
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Hansmeister

#43
September 16, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
If you want to drive a car you have to have insurance. Of course, one can simply choose not to own a car if you want, but that's not really a choice for a vast majority of adults.

Of course it is a choice that many do indeed make.  Just because most people chose to drive doesn't mean that you have no choice.

Razgovory

#44
September 16, 2009, 08:06:43 PM
What's the point of a compromise bill when only one side will vote for it anyway?
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