Moral reasoning more likely universal than cultural

[The Brain]

Executive summaries, Malthus. Jesus, even Timmay doesn't just post links.

[Malthus]

Executive summaries, Malthus. Jesus, even Timmay doesn't just post links.

Cross-cultural study demonstrates that there is little difference in the moral development of children in different cultures.

[Viking]

What I'm saying is that a judeo-christian religious person - including the Pope - would not even break a sweat over this, since it is part of the mythology that Noah, ancestor of all humans, was moral and thus all humans have the same basic ability to be moral.

Your quote from the Pope doesn't refute this position at all. Presumably the Pope would not be fazed in the slightest by this research.

The pope isn't going to be fazed by logic anyway. Dawkins however will approve as the is the kind of stuff he is looking for scientific evidence regarding the arguments for or against the existence of god. It kills the "you get morality from the bible" argument clearly and it seriously weakens the "you get morality from (true) religion" argument significantly.

Yet, the pope said that you as a person and you as a society can only be truly morale as Christians. This study says that regardless or culture or religion morality is the same. If the pope were correct and the study accurate then it would show that christians had a different moral sense (ie the correct one) from all other religious groups. The study shows no such thing, it shows quite the opposite.

[swallow]

Not surprisingly, she is horrified. The researcher describes four possible actions taken by Xiaoming's mother. In one, she reasons with the boy, telling him to remember how it felt to be hit by another child and to imagine how his playmate in the park now feels. In another, she says it's shameful to hit other children and asks why Xiaoming can't behave as well as his friends do. In a third, the mother says that Xiaoming's behavior embarrassed her and makes their family look bad.

I can see a huge skewing of these results caused by the unconscious body language and the verbal intonation of the interviewer.

[The Brain]

Executive summaries, Malthus. Jesus, even Timmay doesn't just post links.

Cross-cultural study demonstrates that there is little difference in the moral development of children in different cultures.

Boys will be boys.

[garbon]

Boys will be boys.

Boys will be girls.

[Martinus]

Here's a hypothesis why, despite moral reasoning being universal, moral rules differ from a culture to a culture: the universal morality is applicable to the society/community. What differs is how you define the community.

I think the moral progress is essentially an exercise in broadening the borders of the community (tribe -> state -> religion -> race -> humanity -> living beings). The moral opposition to attitudes such as racism, homophobia, animal cruelty etc. are the direct consequence of broadening the definition of "Us" and narrowing the definition of the "Other".

The advent of Christianity was a major moral revolution because it overcame the tribalism ("No more Jew or Greek"). Of course it later became reactionary, as the borders of the community broadened even further.

[Razgovory]

Well this did prove one thing.  Viking is ignorant of theology and philosophy and sees only what he wants to see.

[Viking]

Well this did prove one thing.  Viking is ignorant of theology and philosophy and sees only what he wants to see.

yawn

[Razgovory]

Well this did prove one thing.  Viking is ignorant of theology and philosophy and sees only what he wants to see.

yawn

Can lead a horse to water...

[Razgovory]

What I'm saying is that a judeo-christian religious person - including the Pope - would not even break a sweat over this, since it is part of the mythology that Noah, ancestor of all humans, was moral and thus all humans have the same basic ability to be moral.

Your quote from the Pope doesn't refute this position at all. Presumably the Pope would not be fazed in the slightest by this research.

The pope isn't going to be fazed by logic anyway. Dawkins however will approve as the is the kind of stuff he is looking for scientific evidence regarding the arguments for or against the existence of god. It kills the "you get morality from the bible" argument clearly and it seriously weakens the "you get morality from (true) religion" argument significantly.

Yet, the pope said that you as a person and you as a society can only be truly morale as Christians. This study says that regardless or culture or religion morality is the same. If the pope were correct and the study accurate then it would show that christians had a different moral sense (ie the correct one) from all other religious groups. The study shows no such thing, it shows quite the opposite.

Heh, Dawkins hasn't been fazed by logic yet either.