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[Ideologue]

The Glorious was ambushed and sunk by two Battle Cruisers hiding in a fjord.

  I love how history gets all mashed together until the Germans were hiding in a fjord!

Gniesenau and Scharnhorst rode down Glorious in poor weather with Glorious's deck crammed with extra fighters evacuated from the Narvik campaign.

In clear weather, this wouldn't have happened, but no one can guarantee the weather.

It also wouldn't have happened if the British had spared a single R-class battleship to escort the Glorious.  Despite the theoretical superiority of the two German ships, they were risk-averse.

Well, that's my point--a whole chain of mistakes have to be made, bordering on negligence, for a carrier to be sunk by a surface combatant.  With the Glorious example, it seems like a combination of bad weather/visibility, closeness to shore or at least the enemy, a preoccupied commander, a defenseless resulting from overcrowding the deck, and a lack of real escorts all combined to seal her fate.

Gambier Bay was sort of the same thing, to a much lesser degree--I don't know if I'd call it negligence, but in Glorious' case, it seems so.

If the opposing point is that at close range a carrier is meat against a dedicated surface combatant, or even a torpedo-armed DD, I wouldn't disagree--I'm just saying that something has to break down badly to get to the point that a surface ship can strike with a probability of killing a CV.

[Ideologue]

And to get back to this quasi-mod thing... I saw a screenshot for it posted on their forum the other day...

Now you guys know I love strategic bombers.  Some would say too much (Neil ).  But even I balked at what I saw, which was a screenshot displaying the feature they've added that IC damaged by bombing (or other means, I guess) has to be repaired with additional IC.  Germany had to spend something like 20% of its IC on repair to its IC!  To some degree, I guess this is fine, but even I, carpet bomber and night fighter, know good and well that the larger portions of the damage done, especially by the RAF, was disruption, which made itself felt, and certainly accomplished the worthy goals of terrorizing and killing Germans, but which also was usually rather quickly healed.  Hell, if the RAF hit an actual factory, it was by accident.

I do dig the inclusion of synthetic oil and rubber (rares, whatever) plants, that are targetable.  I just hope that night area bombing, or daylight precision bombing without air superiority, isn't retarded overpowered.  The air war's only fun when the Nazis fight back.

[KRonn]

Well, that's my point--a whole chain of mistakes have to be made, bordering on negligence, for a carrier to be sunk by a surface combatant.  With the Glorious example, it seems like a combination of bad weather/visibility, closeness to shore or at least the enemy, a preoccupied commander, a defenseless resulting from overcrowding the deck, and a lack of real escorts all combined to seal her fate.

Gambier Bay was sort of the same thing, to a much lesser degree--I don't know if I'd call it negligence, but in Glorious' case, it seems so.

If the opposing point is that at close range a carrier is meat against a dedicated surface combatant, or even a torpedo-armed DD, I wouldn't disagree--I'm just saying that something has to break down badly to get to the point that a surface ship can strike with a probability of killing a CV.

Agreed on that, something had to go wrong, or really adverse conditions, for a CV to even be targeted by surface ships. Even in the case of Gambier Bay and Taffy 3, I think the route the Japanese used was supposed to be covered by heavier forces, but the covering forces were drawn off by a Japanese Carrier fleet decoy.

[Josquius]

The trouble with a sub sinking a carrier is in game this is modelled as being part of a battle.
Subs are just handled wrong in the game...they're normal warships that get into normal battles.
They should be different to regular ships...say like sea-born partisans that you have some sort of control over and enemy destroyers don't just supress but destroy.
And of course singular enemy ships without destroyer export run the risk of being sunk in sub zones too.

[dps]

Not exactly what we're looking for, but according to the British, if the the Argentine cruiser Belgrano hadn't fallen victim to a sub during the Falklands conflict, the Belgrano and its escorts were 10 minutes away from intercepting the British carriers, which were apparantly unaware that there were Argentine ships anywhere near them.  How the British let that happen, I don't know.  Good thing the Argentine destroyers didn't have better anti-submarine gear.

[I Killed Kenny]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

[Ideologue]

Not exactly what we're looking for, but according to the British, if the the Argentine cruiser Belgrano hadn't fallen victim to a sub during the Falklands conflict, the Belgrano and its escorts were 10 minutes away from intercepting the British carriers, which were apparantly unaware that there were Argentine ships anywhere near them.  How the British let that happen, I don't know.  Good thing the Argentine destroyers didn't have better anti-submarine gear.

British: not good at carrier warfare?

[AnchorClanker]

Their success depends on how they simulate strategic bombing.

Hmmm, massively expensive and oversold as the silver bullet to victory?
Methinks they had it pretty close in the HoI II vanilla.   

In all seriousness, it would be a nice addition to the strat bombers to hit military factories (resulting in delays, same as industrial espionage actions) or to bomb oil refineries (mess with the energy -> oil, deplete oil stocks).
That would make the strategic bombers more of a viable investment, but AT ALL COSTS raising dissent should
be avoided.  Of all the effects of bombing, the 'erosion of the will to fight' was so far off it's not even funny.

[AnchorClanker]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

HMS Glorius was gunned down by a German battlecruiser during the Norway campaign...

That's the only carrier I can think of off the top of my head that was sunk by surface action.

[Neil]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

UK:
Courageous - Sunk by German submarine - 1939
Glorious - Sunk by German dreadnoughts - 1940
Hermes - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942
Eagle - Sunk by German submarine - 1942
Ark Royal - Sunk by German submarine - 1941
Audacity - Sunk by German submarine - 1941
Avenger - Sunk by German submarine - 1942
Dasher - Sunk by internal explosion - 1943

Japan:
Akagi - Sunk by American aircraft - 1942
Kaga - Sunk by American aircraft - 1942
Soryu - Sunk by American aircraft - 1942
Hiryu - Sunk by American aircraft - 1942
Shoho - Sunk by American aircraft - 1942
Chuyo - Sunk by American submarine - 1943
Shokaku - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Zuikaku - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Hiyo  Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Taiho - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Unryu - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Shinano - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Zuiho - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Ryuho - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Chitose - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Chiyoda - Sunk by American aircraft - 1944
Taiyo - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Unyo - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Shinyo - Sunk by American submarine - 1944
Amagi - Sunk by American aircraft - 1945
Kaiyo - Grounded and destroyed by British air attack - 1945

USA:
Langley - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942
Lexingon - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942
Yorktown - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942
Wasp - Sunk by Japanese submarine - 1942
Hornet - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942
Princeton - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1944
Liscome Bay - Sunk by Japanese submarine - 1943
Block Island - Sunk by German submarine - 1944
Gambier Bay - Sunk by Japanese dreadnoughts - 1944
St. Lo - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1944
Ommaney Bay - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1945
Bismarck Sea - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1945

So that's 23 sunk by aircraft, 15 by submarines, 2 by dreadnoughts and one accidentally.  The Germans sank 7, the Japanese 12, the British 1 and the Americans 20.  The British lost 8, the Americans 12 and the Japanese 21.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Langley - Sunk by Japanese aircraft - 1942

Langley was converted into a seaplane tender in 1937.

[jimmy olsen]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

UK:
Dasher - Sunk by internal explosion - 1943

I looked this up but didn't see much, does anyone know what caused the explosion?

[Neil]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

UK:
Dasher - Sunk by internal explosion - 1943

I looked this up but didn't see much, does anyone know what caused the explosion?

Shoddy American construction.

No, nobody knows.  Probably something to do with aviation fuel leaking.

[Ideologue]

Their success depends on how they simulate strategic bombing.

Hmmm, massively expensive and oversold as the silver bullet to victory?
Methinks they had it pretty close in the HoI II vanilla.   

In all seriousness, it would be a nice addition to the strat bombers to hit military factories (resulting in delays, same as industrial espionage actions) or to bomb oil refineries (mess with the energy -> oil, deplete oil stocks).
That would make the strategic bombers more of a viable investment, but AT ALL COSTS raising dissent should
be avoided.  Of all the effects of bombing, the 'erosion of the will to fight' was so far off it's not even funny.

Didn't the survivors of Hamburg almost lynch Goering? :p

I'd say it eroded the Japanese will to fight as well, especially if you consider the atom bombs the logical extension of conventional bombing.  (Yes, I know, the Soviets and the blockade helped, and these things should be modeled as perhaps more important.)  But perhaps the biggest moral effect of strat bombing should be on one's own population--bombing enemy cities should help with morale at home, especially if you're being bombed yourself.

I agree that it should not be overstated--the late-war fruits of the strategic bombing campaign came from the oil and transportation offensives, particularly the former on its own merits, and the latter in conjunction with the Red Army bearing down on Germany.  I must say that I rather like the fact that oil plants will be on-map and bombable.

Of course, no effective daylight bombing campaign would have been possible without escort fighters, and it is vitally important that daylight strategic bombing should be effective only with near-total air superiority.  The principle industrial effect during the early years should be the need to devote resources to defend from the bombers, not the damage caused by the bombers themselves.

[I Killed Kenny]

question: How many Carriers were sunk in the WW2? Can anyone tell me by nation?

I did: Search but did not find anything.

-zip-
So that's 23 sunk by aircraft, 15 by submarines, 2 by dreadnoughts and one accidentally.  The Germans sank 7, the Japanese 12, the British 1 and the Americans 20.  The British lost 8, the Americans 12 and the Japanese 21.

thanks man, I didn't find any info