Libyan leader Gaddafi files motion to partition Switzerland at UN

[Ape]

Yes, of course, but that's a different argument.  However, the argument that Pinochet's coup turned Chile into a basket case is a non-starter.  It actually prevented Chile from descending into a basket case status, whether Chileans appreciate that or not.

You don't know that, just as I don't know if a coup was inevitable, CIA sponsored or not. Is it impossible that Allende would try and transform Chilean economy into a mixed socialdemocratic one? We don't know. Neither do we know if Allende would have been voted out of office in the next election had he failed and a more marcet-economic friendly government taken his place. Now that was denied due to the action of the CIA.

Life would be easy if moral choices always led to best results, and immoral choices led to worst results, but alas it's not always the case.

Sorry, but that is bullshit. You can't justify several thousand people executed with 'Well rich Chileans got it better now then they might have had'

[Neil]

Sorry, but that is bullshit. You can't justify several thousand people executed with 'Well rich Chileans got it better now then they might have had'

Isn't that what the American Revolution is founded on?

[Ape]

That is ridiculously melodramatic.  Who carried out the coup?  Who ran the dictatorship?  We simply went along with it because of the context of the Cold War.

It was a shitty thing to do and I would be against us doing anything like it in the future but please let's not get carried away.

The problem is that the rhetoric (some might say propaganda) from the US government and US media is very similar against Chavez as it was against Allende. It could all very well simply be a case of 'Cry wolf', and how would we know that this time there is actually a wolf?

Not to mention that there are striking similarites between Allende's Chile and Chavez' Venezuela such as that boh wished to nationalise natural resources (copper in Chile and Oil in Venezuela) owned by major corporations based in the USA.

[Jaron]

I'm going to enjoy some Euro tears when the US engineers Chavez's downfall.


Fact is you don't go up against the great superpower of the world and not expect consequences.


Chavez has ruined Venezuela and continues to taunt us and make nice to our enemies and soon the hammer shall strike him down with such force as to make him beg for death.

[Ape]

Sorry, but that is bullshit. You can't justify several thousand people executed with 'Well rich Chileans got it better now then they might have had'

Isn't that what the American Revolution is founded on?

I doubt that the 'founding fathers' set out with the established goal of making it better for rich Chileans   

[Razgovory]

I thought Qaddafi had a good point.

[jimmy olsen]

I thought Qaddafi had a good point.

Hitler would have probably partitioned it eventually if he won the war.

[Ape]

I'm going to enjoy some Euro tears when the US engineers Chavez's downfall.


Fact is you don't go up against the great superpower of the world and not expect consequences.


Chavez has ruined Venezuela and continues to taunt us and make nice to our enemies and soon the hammer shall strike him down with such force as to make him beg for death.

Like Cuba or North Vietnam?

[Jaron]

I'm going to enjoy some Euro tears when the US engineers Chavez's downfall.


Fact is you don't go up against the great superpower of the world and not expect consequences.


Chavez has ruined Venezuela and continues to taunt us and make nice to our enemies and soon the hammer shall strike him down with such force as to make him beg for death.

Like Cuba or North Vietnam?

No, like Afghanistan or Iraq.

[DGuller]

Is it impossible that Allende would try and transform Chilean economy into a mixed socialdemocratic one? We don't know.

Of course we don't know, but we can make an educated guess, and that is "not bloody likely".  His track record bore no hint of even basic economic competency.  He repeated the mistakes of countless socialists and communists before him, and was well on his way of obliterating his country's economy, in just three years' worth of work.  You've picked the wrong horse in this debate.

[Ape]

I'm going to enjoy some Euro tears when the US engineers Chavez's downfall.


Fact is you don't go up against the great superpower of the world and not expect consequences.


Chavez has ruined Venezuela and continues to taunt us and make nice to our enemies and soon the hammer shall strike him down with such force as to make him beg for death.

Like Cuba or North Vietnam?

No, like Afghanistan or Iraq.

Right 
One country devastated first by an almost decade long Soviet invasion and then by a longer civil war and another country supplied with 3rd rate equipment from the USSR, attritioned in a decade long war with it's larger neighbour, devastated in a three month aerial offensive and then besieged for another decade, and both still causing enough casulties that the american public is growing weary.


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truly a great accomplishment 

[Jaron]

I guess the Taliban or Saddam Hussein would have brought education and democracy to their countries if we'd given them a chance. Now we'll NEVER know!!

[Ape]

Of course we don't know, but we can make an educated guess, and that is "not bloody likely".  His track record bore no hint of even basic economic competency.
He repeated the mistakes of countless socialists and communists before him, and was well on his way of obliterating his country's economy, in just three years' worth of work.   

Like Sweden, Denmark and Norway, truly shining examples of failed socialistic policies ....  try to remember that Socialism =/= communsism, And Allende was not a communist, he was a socialist.

You've picked the wrong horse in this debate.

FFS the point I'm trying to make is that the CIA and the US government removed the Chilean peoples right for self-determination, and that after the coup Chiles economy went down the drain. If it was a cause of Allendes policys or because of the selling of public owned companies after the coup I do not know and is irrelevant.

[Jaron]

[Ape]

I guess the Taliban or Saddam Hussein would have brought education and democracy to their countries if we'd given them a chance. Now we'll NEVER know!!

epic fail