WW2 Start Date

[Siege]

10-20 million Chinese dead, 3 million Japanese dead, the only use of nuclear weapons in wartime, and marine units with over 100% casualties is a sideshow?

Compared to the battle for the fate of the entire world that was the European war yes.

Pffft. We'd have just beaten the Nazis in the Cold War instead.

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

There is an israeli novellette I read when I was a kid, about an american jew that builts a time machine in a secret fallout bunker, to go back in time and convince Roosvelt to join the war, because in the future America had lost WW3 with all the major cities nuked and the country divided between Germany and Japan. The story was impressive to my young mind because it presented our reality as a product of that time travel.

[DontSayBanana]

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

Alt-history.

Apples to apples, we only won the Cold War because the Soviets went broke first. The Nazi war machine was so innovation-happy that it was burning through funds and had huge compatibility problems with equipment; they would have gone broke even sooner.

[Eddie Teach]

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

The US had greater demographic strength than Germany proper, and they didn't exactly inspire love among conquered populations.

[Siege]

You euro-centric guys are smoking crack.  The Japanese were the 2nd most powerful member of the Axis.

And closer to Germany than Italy on the scale. Japan had beaten Russia 30 years earlier, something the Nazis failed to do.

Not fair. At Tsushima the russian battleships were multiple size gun design, while the japs had 4 big-guns-only battleships. Plus the japanese crossed the T on the ruskies. Not fair.

Oh wait, everything is fair in war...

[Siege]

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

The US had greater demographic strength than Germany proper, and they didn't exactly inspire love among conquered populations.

You don't get the point.

There wouldn't have been a Cold War with Nazi Germany.
It would have gone Hot in a second.

[Eddie Teach]

You don't get the point.

There wouldn't have been a Cold War with Nazi Germany.
It would have gone Hot in a second.

For Germany to have even the slightest chance of getting to that point, America needs to have sat the European war out.

Germany would have been utterly worn out from conquering the Soviets, and America would have been arming. We'd have probably gone along with the Manhattan project as well. Throw in our superior Navy and I think the Germans wouldn't be too quick to press the issue.

[Neil]

Not fair. At Tsushima the russian battleships were multiple size gun design, while the japs had 4 big-guns-only battleships. Plus the japanese crossed the T on the ruskies. Not fair.

Oh wait, everything is fair in war...

You are incorrect.  The Russian and Japanese ships were both predreadnoughts.  In fact, the weapon layout of the four Japanese ships and a number of the Russian ships was virtually identical.

[Neil]

You don't get the point.

There wouldn't have been a Cold War with Nazi Germany.
It would have gone Hot in a second.

I can't see why.  It's not like Germany was more prone to go to war than Russia was.

[Siege]

Actually for you it should be May 22, 1942, frijolero

Really? And why is that?

Date Mexico entered the war, duh.  Know your history.

And WHY exactly should I count that instead of Dec 7? Is there something about me that makes me less American than you?

Yes. You speak english with an accent!

[Razgovory]

10-20 million Chinese dead, 3 million Japanese dead, the only use of nuclear weapons in wartime, and marine units with over 100% casualties is a sideshow?

Compared to the battle for the fate of the entire world that was the European war yes.

Pffft. We'd have just beaten the Nazis in the Cold War instead.

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

There is an israeli novellette I read when I was a kid, about an american jew that builts a time machine in a secret fallout bunker, to go back in time and convince Roosvelt to join the war, because in the future America had lost WW3 with all the major cities nuked and the country divided between Germany and Japan. The story was impressive to my young mind because it presented our reality as a product of that time travel.

[Siege]

Not fair. At Tsushima the russian battleships were multiple size gun design, while the japs had 4 big-guns-only battleships. Plus the japanese crossed the T on the ruskies. Not fair.

Oh wait, everything is fair in war...

You are incorrect.  The Russian and Japanese ships were both predreadnoughts.  In fact, the weapon layout of the four Japanese ships and a number of the Russian ships was virtually identical.

You are out of your mind.
Let me google the japanese ships that were at Tsushima.

[Neil]

Not fair. At Tsushima the russian battleships were multiple size gun design, while the japs had 4 big-guns-only battleships. Plus the japanese crossed the T on the ruskies. Not fair.

Oh wait, everything is fair in war...

You are incorrect.  The Russian and Japanese ships were both predreadnoughts.  In fact, the weapon layout of the four Japanese ships and a number of the Russian ships was virtually identical.

You are out of your mind.
Let me google the japanese ships that were at Tsushima.

Are you going to try and lecture me about naval warfare in the age of the big gun?

This is going to be like me trying to lecture you about the Disney Channel.

[Razgovory]

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

Alt-history.

Apples to apples, we only won the Cold War because the Soviets went broke first. The Nazi war machine was so innovation-happy that it was burning through funds and had huge compatibility problems with equipment; they would have gone broke even sooner.

One of the interesting facts about Germany was the before the war they graduating fewer and fewer engineers.  Nazi meddling in education was destroying the pool of skilled German labor.  A surviving Germany would likely be poor, uneducated, and racked by civil war as various party factions fought each other in the streets.  Germany would need either a Stalin figure to purge nearly everyone or the private armies being built up by Himmler and Goring would have tore the country apart when Hitler died.

[Jaron]

Actually for you it should be May 22, 1942, frijolero

Really? And why is that?

Date Mexico entered the war, duh.  Know your history.

And WHY exactly should I count that instead of Dec 7? Is there something about me that makes me less American than you?

Yes. You speak english with an accent!

You might, but my English is as beautiful as the day is long.

[Siege]

Every Alt-History book have read says the German would have won the Cold War.
The argument is that germany was such an aggressive monster that had to be stopped at the begining, if it grew up and took momentum (resourses to back their brain power), the world would have been doomed.

Alt-history.

Apples to apples, we only won the Cold War because the Soviets went broke first. The Nazi war machine was so innovation-happy that it was burning through funds and had huge compatibility problems with equipment; they would have gone broke even sooner.

One of the interesting facts about Germany was the before the war they graduating fewer and fewer engineers.  Nazi meddling in education was destroying the pool of skilled German labor.  A surviving Germany would likely be poor, uneducated, and racked by civil war as various party factions fought each other in the streets.  Germany would need either a Stalin figure to purge nearly everyone or the private armies being built up by Himmler and Goring would have tore the country apart when Hitler died.

Interesting view.
I always thought the story that germany's brainpower started with the jews was an ashkenazi urban legend.
Let alone a disminishing brainpower pool from non-jew population.