Victoria 2

[The Minsky Moment]

what the difference is between puppets, satellites

They are the same.

[garbon]

Okay yeah, I seem to have been getting by on ignore trade and only playing a role in industry via state capitalism or interventionism.

Biggest hurdle for me on diplomacy system was the separation of relations systems and opinion system. Weird to have a country have a friendly opinion of you while relations are at -90. Took me a bit to figure out how you gain diplomatic influence as GP.

Would be nice to see in a Vic 3, some of the benefits of their new game engine/EU4, like leaving a diplomat to increase relations rather than remembering each month to open up diplo window to increase relations by 15.

[garbon]

what the difference is between puppets, satellites

They are the same.

Yeah, I eventually came to that conclusion. Of course, the addition of substates as China only feature also had muddle waters for me. I'll admit I was very shocked when either my war (or the concurrent Chinese rebels) caused the Chinese Empire to lose all puppets and substates.

[garbon]

Actually another example of something odd is the political reform to allow public meetings. Allowing it says it "increases political awareness by 25%". What I found online suggests it might have something to do with consciousness?

[Queequeg]

lol can i be; armenian empire

[garbon]

I guess so but given that it feels a bit gamey to just release a country and play as it, you are more likely to go the Greece turned to Byzantine Empire route.

[PRC]

My military score always seems way below the other great powers.  Anyone know what actually determines military score?  I'd thought it was only size of army / navy but generals and admirals seem to have the greatest impact on it and I can't tell if tech level makes a difference at all?

[The Minsky Moment]

In the early years the number of generals and admirals plays a disproportionate role.  So the key factor is the number of officer POPs.  As you get into later years and army and navy size growns, it becomes less of a factor.  I believe the other components are capital ships and number of soldier POPs/regiments.

[mongers]

I really should be playing this, JR makes a convincing advocate for the game ie un-Tamas like.

[garbon]

Some people are rude.

[The Minsky Moment]

I do think CK2 is the superior game, but the time period covered is interesting and I find it plays a bit differently from some of the other sister games - there tends to be a lower return to outright territorial conquest and a higher return to other means of influence.

[Syt]

With the marked improvements that we've seen CK => CK2 and EU3 => EU4, I really hope that we'll see Vic3 after HoI4.

[Queequeg]

I'd much rather see a Classical Greece game.

[garbon]

With the marked improvements that we've seen CK => CK2 and EU3 => EU4, I really hope that we'll see Vic3 after HoI4.

A Vicky 3 would be great to harness capabilities of their current engine.

[Barrister]

So bought Vicky 2 in that $5 bundle.

I get totally lost though, even after going through the tutorials.

Someone hold my hand.  I start a new game as some peaceful minor - what three or five steps should I do right off the bat?  I get concerned because I can't seem to even just run a budget surplus right off the bat.