Victoria 2

[DGuller]

I'd say the latest beta patch makes the game infinitely more playable than it was out of the box.  I still think that there are many issues that need to be fixed or touched up, but it's a good start.

[JonasSalk]

Woohoo! I get to wait until 1.4.

[Ideologue]

I'd say the latest beta patch makes the game infinitely more playable than it was out of the box.  I still think that there are many issues that need to be fixed or touched up, but it's a good start.

It's probably not ideal to finally get to "good start" nearly a year after the actual release of the game, and maybe two or three since design actually began on it.

[szmik]

I'd say the latest beta patch makes the game infinitely more playable than it was out of the box.  I still think that there are many issues that need to be fixed or touched up, but it's a good start.

so the beta starts now, got it

[DGuller]

Yeah, sort of.  The unfortunate reality is that Vicky 2 is far too complex for Paradox to get right, they simply don't have the talent pool necessary to properly code a game with a design like that.  I don't think they'll ever manage to polish that turd sufficiently.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, sort of.  The unfortunate reality is that Vicky 2 is far too complex for Paradox to get right, they simply don't have the talent pool necessary to properly code a game with a design like that.  I don't think they'll ever manage to polish that turd sufficiently.

I believe that was the problem with the first one.

[JonasSalk]

Sad It's such a great concept, too. If only a real company would make it.

[DGuller]

Ultimately, even with the best programmers, I'm afraid the concept of Victoria is not very workable.  The reason is that economy is the engine of Vicky, and you can't really simulate world economy anywhere near properly without transportation costs. 

I think we're at least a decade away before we have processing power to even attempt to do that.  Without transportation costs, and everything else done very well, you would have an utterly ridiculous level of specialization that just isn't feasible even today.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, creating an essentially modern economy simulator is not exactly easy.

[JonasSalk]

Ultimately, even with the best programmers, I'm afraid the concept of Victoria is not very workable.  The reason is that economy is the engine of Vicky, and you can't really simulate world economy anywhere near properly without transportation costs. 

I think we're at least a decade away before we have processing power to even attempt to do that.  Without transportation costs, and everything else done very well, you would have an utterly ridiculous level of specialization that just isn't feasible even today.

Von Thünen would like to molest you.

[Viking]

I'm trying to think of a more productive activity for a land based european power than taking out the dutch with a "place in the sun" for the colonial province of java, but I can't think of any.

[Josquius]

I remember reading an article a few months ago about some folks at a university somewhere actually setting out to make a 'everything simulator' which would try and model the world, its economy and all sorts of other things.


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It annoys me that small provinces count just as much as big ones for badboy.
Portugal kept going to war with me as UK (well...Morocco. My Morocco) and I took most of their empire...except Goa and Macau. As little one province things it wasn't worthwhile.

[Solmyr]

I remember reading an article a few months ago about some folks at a university somewhere actually setting out to make a 'everything simulator' which would try and model the world, its economy and all sorts of other things.

http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2223

[Josquius]

Hey, 1.3 is out....hmm....might give Russia a spin.

[HisMajestyBOB]

So how is the game now?
And how are the mods? Particularly the ones that just add to/fix the GC.

I reinstalled Victoria: Revolutions with VIP, and I'm remembering why I stopped playing.
I need my 19th century fix.