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NYPD cracks down on Flintlocks

Started by jimmy olsen, July 29, 2009, 01:17:12 PM

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
You know, all you fuckers are poking fun at the NYPD over this, but who's going to be laughing when he affixes his bayonet.
Those of us who are smart enough to stand at least 15 feet away from people armed with bayonets.
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Quote from: Malthus on July 29, 2009, 01:41:46 PM
In short, it's not a "right to bear arms" sans license so much as a "right to arms-themed interior decorating".  :D
Exactly my thought, as well.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
You know, all you fuckers are poking fun at the NYPD over this, but who's going to be laughing when he affixes his bayonet.
If it is a period rifle, and not a musket, it has no provisions for a bayonet. :nerd:
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Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
You know, all you fuckers are poking fun at the NYPD over this, but who's going to be laughing when he affixes his bayonet.
If it is a period rifle, and not a musket, it has no provisions for a bayonet. :nerd:

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 06:16:43 PM
You know, all you fuckers are poking fun at the NYPD over this, but who's going to be laughing when he affixes his bayonet.
Me.

Still, when the guy goes nuts and starts spearing Jewish lawyers in Manhattan, I guarantee that somebody is going to regret his agenda of cop-hatred.
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Quote from: Armyknife on July 29, 2009, 07:33:58 PM

The exemption in question.
Quote§ 10–305 Exemptions. The sections requiring rifle and shotgun permits and certificates and prohibiting the possession or disposition of assault weapons shall not apply as follows:

b. Antiques and ornaments. The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to antique rifles and shotguns which are incapable of being fired or discharged or which do not fire fixed ammunition, or those weapons manufactured prior to eighteen hundred ninety-four and those weapons whose design was patented and whose commercial manufacture commenced prior to eighteen hundred ninety-four and whose manufacture continued after eighteen hundred ninety-four without any substantial alteration in design or function, and for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available and are possessed as curiosities or ornaments or for their historical significance and value...

The weapon isn't antique, though it is an antiquated design.
The bolded section would seem to cover that if I'm not mistaken.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 29, 2009, 07:37:29 PM
Quote from: Armyknife on July 29, 2009, 07:33:58 PM

The exemption in question.
Quote§ 10–305 Exemptions. The sections requiring rifle and shotgun permits and certificates and prohibiting the possession or disposition of assault weapons shall not apply as follows:

b. Antiques and ornaments. The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to antique rifles and shotguns which are incapable of being fired or discharged or which do not fire fixed ammunition, or those weapons manufactured prior to eighteen hundred ninety-four and those weapons whose design was patented and whose commercial manufacture commenced prior to eighteen hundred ninety-four and whose manufacture continued after eighteen hundred ninety-four without any substantial alteration in design or function, and for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available and are possessed as curiosities or ornaments or for their historical significance and value...

The weapon isn't antique, though it is an antiquated design.
The bolded section would seem to cover that if I'm not mistaken.

Well, you are mistaken.  He had it custom-made in Tennessee.  Its commercial manufacture was not commenced prior to 1894, and its manufacturing was not continued after 1894.  It was made to order, and very recently.

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A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.


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Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.

A flintlock isn't rifled though. 
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Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.

Sure, but baseball bats aren't illegal.
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Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2009, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.

A flintlock isn't rifled though.
Flintlock is just a method of setting off the charge of powder.  There certainly were rifled flintlocks.  Hell, there were rifled flintlock pistols.
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Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.

So's a vacuum cleaner, desk lamp, or even the Staten Island Yellow Pages, if you want to be technical.

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Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2009, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
A rifle is still deadly without rounds and without bayonet.

A flintlock isn't rifled though.
Flintlock is just a method of setting off the charge of powder.  There certainly were rifled flintlocks.  Hell, there were rifled flintlock pistols.

I could be wrong I suppose, but I thought rifles (that is - firearms with rifling) only came into use in the 19th century - and that is what a quick wiki search seems to confirm.  So while there may exist some rifled flintlocks out there, the flintlock seems far more commonly associated with muskets.
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The Kentucky Long Rifle was rather famous during the American Revolution.  There were certainly rifles prior to the 19th century, they just weren't used by masses of troops.  They were generally for private use or specialized or irregular troops.
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