Go Persians, go!

[Valmy]

That is a huge fucking trophy on Netanyahu's mantle.

Well good for him.

Hey another reason Israel no longer needs our money.

[Razgovory]

Report of 12,000 dead.

[Tamas]

Report of 12,000 dead.

The Guardian was writing 650.

[Syt]

Austrian Der Standard says reports of 2,000.

[DGuller]

Where is Russia in all of this?  Seems hard to believe that they'll just sit idly watching their ally to go down.  At times like these Russians are usually there providing support and advice for mass slaughter operations.

[Syt]

I'm assuming they have some advisors down there, but maybe their key assets are currently busy elsewhere and can't be spared?

[mongers]

Where is Russia in all of this?  Seems hard to believe that they'll just sit idly watching their ally to go down.  At times like these Russians are usually there providing support and advice for mass slaughter operations.

I don't think the Iranian state needs any leason in mass murder, iirc there's no clear idea of how many died in the 1979-80 revolution, but it must have been many tens of thousands.

Plus that provides a cautionary lesson, as all sides, save perhaps for the Bani Sadre (sp?) government spilled plenty of blood;

The Shah would have killed many, many more if it hadn't been for the army getting cold feet.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Came across an interesting survey of Iranaian attitudes towards religion :

https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf

Interesting to find that only 32% consider themselves to be Shi'ite muslims.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Came across an interesting survey of Iranaian attitudes towards religion :

https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf

Interesting to find that only 32% consider themselves to be Shi'ite muslims.

My professor for Ancient Near Eastern studies, who was a specialist regarding the khuzistan-luristan region already mentioned -over 20 years ago now- that the Iranians, and especially the young ones, were truly done with the regime and suffocating influence of religion.
The ayatollahs are turning the country into society where secularism might very well become the norm if they're driven from power.
Imagine Iran being a stable-ish secular democracy in 2030.

[Syt]

I'm sure some strongman will find a way to avoid that. The son of the last shah apparently already said that he for sure needs to be part of any post-Ayatollah state

[HVC]

Wasn't Iran relatively secular and modern in the 70s?

[mongers]

Wasn't Iran relatively secular and modern in the 70s?

Yes, but Very corrupt.

Quite a few of the 'exile' families were part of the Shah's kleptocracy and already established abroad, come the revolution they couldn't return, but then got to cloak themselves in the exile banner, rather than being part of the reason for the revolution in the first place.

[HVC]

Wasn't Iran relatively secular and modern in the 70s?

Yes, but Very corrupt.

Quite a few of the 'exile' families were part of the Shah's kleptocracy and already established abroad, come the revolution they couldn't return, but then got to cloak themselves in the exile banner, rather than being part of the reason for the revolution in the first place.

That's usually the way. Look at the first gen Cuban exiles. Theres a reason people had the means and connections to flee.

[Legbiter]

If even 10% of the reports coming out of Iran are true then the protests have been drowned in a sea of blood basically.

[Razgovory]

If even 10% of the reports coming out of Iran are true then the protests have been drowned in a sea of blood basically.

Yeah.  It would be sad... If they were Palestinian.