US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[The Brain]

Yeah, Trump speaks for the US. He is head of state, head of government, and commander-in-chief. With a strong voter mandate, having been elected twice, the second time after openly displaying his ambition to end democracy by a coup attempt. Trump doesn't matter. The US does.

[Threviel]

Yeah. 70%+ of the American electorate thought Trump was good enough either to vote for or to not bother to vote against. He was clear in his goals and his politics and the Americans overwhelmingly supported him.

Sure, there might be regions where there are decent Americans, but we're most definitely better off without those fuckers and their revolting culture war.

[Tamas]

You all are only partially correct. Yes it's not going to be like the 90s again when the US ran Europe (and through it the world) as a bunch of vassal states. And even if a pro-sanity President will be in charge, at any point we can end up with another post-truth Republican piece of shit as President.

But at any time when the US President isn't THIS evil and demented,  Europe and Canada are the natural allies and partners of the US. Through the largest number of cultural and economical links when compared to the other major players.

So, yes, Europe needs to grow the fuck up and become the powerful, singular, block it can be and should be and it should never regress back into American dependency once we (well, them, the UK may still end up a US puppet) have climbed out of it.

BUT, Europe will not need a progressive liberal US President to be able to cooperate with America. They only need a pragmatic one.

[The Brain]

Partnerships and alliances cannot depend on exactly what government happens to be in power at a given moment.

[Threviel]

Europe needs to grow the fuck up and fix its shit, we're two bad elections in France and the UK from not having a nuclear panoply. We need to get nukes now. And by now I mean yesterday.

The Americans are already lost, I hope we can keep Canada and Australia as allies though. And in the mean time that we can pretend to still be allies to the US until we're autonomous.

[Grey Fox]

We're about to be fighting them so probably not.

[crazy canuck]

Partnerships and alliances cannot depend on exactly what government happens to be in power at a given moment.

 

[Jacob]

One thing that has come out of the current Greenland situation is that the US does not necessarily have the same level of overwhelming military force available in the arctic as it does elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see how determinedly the US builds up its arctic capabilities after this - especially ice breakers, arctic capable vehicles, and infantry formations with arctic training.

[grumbler]

One thing that has come out of the current Greenland situation is that the US does not necessarily have the same level of overwhelming military force available in the arctic as it does elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see how determinedly the US builds up its arctic capabilities after this - especially ice breakers, arctic capable vehicles, and infantry formations with arctic training.

Ironically, the reason the US lacks such capabilities is that it ceded the arctic warfare mission to NATO allies better-suited to develop and maintain the necessary training and equipment.

[Threviel]

The US has enough capability to totally dominate the arctic outside of Russia. Sure, Denmark had the Orion patrol with dozens of guys more capable than almost everyone in the US defense, but they are no good if they can't get to Greenland. Also, they are easily killed by US air power.