US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[Syt]

Regarding the Baltic States - aren't international NATO troops already there? Even if currently small contingents and NATO unwilling to defend the Baltics, they would be in the firing line if the Russians roll in.

[crazy canuck]

Yes, I already made that point, we already have troops on the ground in the Baltic states.

[Legbiter]

Denmark is reinforcing Greenland with more troops. Problem is a lot of their manpower is deployed in Latvia. The Nordics and Canada should chip in as well. To guard against any threats from China and russia of course...

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Trump sure is a threat from Russian and China

[bogh]

Yeah. Word is that multinational forces are slated to go to Greenland with our increased national presence.

Our Foreign Minister and a representative of the Greenland government is meeting with Rubio and Vance today at the WH. With Vance there, it's hard to imagine anything useful being done, so looks like we're heading for a confrontation. Our days as a sympathetic and staunch ally are definitely over.

I definitely feel stupid shouting down anti-americanism here the last couple of decades.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Anti-Americanism was stupid af few decades ago, back when they were relatively sane and the anti-americans were supporters of the enemies of the west.

Now the multipolar world the anti-americans have wished for is here and they'll soon learn that the world is unsafer for it

[Legbiter]

Yeah. Word is that multinational forces are slated to go to Greenland with our increased national presence.

Our Foreign Minister and a representative of the Greenland government is meeting with Rubio and Vance today at the WH. With Vance there, it's hard to imagine anything useful being done, so looks like we're heading for a confrontation. Our days as a sympathetic and staunch ally are definitely over.

Vance is there to harangue, "sign this right now" in his chud way. Also, the Swedes should send a couple of subs to patrol as well. Make sure the Chinese don't try anything sudden.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah. Word is that multinational forces are slated to go to Greenland with our increased national presence.

Our Foreign Minister and a representative of the Greenland government is meeting with Rubio and Vance today at the WH. With Vance there, it's hard to imagine anything useful being done, so looks like we're heading for a confrontation. Our days as a sympathetic and staunch ally are definitely over.

I definitely feel stupid shouting down anti-americanism here the last couple of decades.

Hopefully they wear nice suits

[bogh]

To be honest our foreign minister looks a bit hoboish.

[Tamas]

It's a good idea: nato should say they are deploying more troops to address Trump's concern over a hostile takeover of Greenland.

[Norgy]

To be honest our foreign minister looks a bit hoboish.

That's okay, it's not like Vance is a looker.

[Legbiter]

Well, it's official from the Swedish side.

"Några officerare från den svenska Försvarsmakten anländer idag till Grönland. De ingår i en grupp från flera allierade länder."

https://x.com/SwedishPM/status/2011469780729868447

[mongers]

Well, it's official from the Swedish side.

"Några officerare från den svenska Försvarsmakten anländer idag till Grönland. De ingår i en grupp från flera allierade länder."

https://x.com/SwedishPM/status/2011469780729868447

Good to see, but also bad as it's very likely trump is or was on the verge of his Greatest Stupidity Yet.

[HVC]

I'd hope you're right, but absent NATO what's the difference between the baltics states and Ukraine? This is nowhere my area of expertise so there are probably key differences I just don't personally know what they are

I'm not sure what you mean by "absent NATO". I think what's under consideration is Baltics + local allies, where I think they have a pretty good chance. The Baltics on their own will likely be hooped if facing off against Russia by themselves.

But I expect enough European allies will take their NATO and EU defense commitments serious enough that that's not going to be the case, even if the US bails.

Sorry, by absent I mean if nato was to fall/dissolve.

The scenario as I understood it is that with NATO gone the surrounding countries would still defend the baltics amd i was unconvinced,  but not strongly so.

[Jacob]

Sorry, by absent I mean if nato was to fall/dissolve.

The scenario as I understood it is that with NATO gone the surrounding countries would still defend the baltics amd i was unconvinced,  but not strongly so.

Okay sure. But when people speak about "the end of NATO" what they mean - I think - is that our understanding of NATO is gone because the US has abandoned it. That we cannot count on the US in any shape or form. It does not automatically mean that the rest of the countries dissolve it and go "huh, I guess we aren't allied anymore".

I expect, in fact, that the non-US countries will recommit to their alliance (maybe with a few defectors, who knows) for reasons of self-interest. But who knows.