Iran War?

[crazy canuck]

No, you are definitely overstating it.  You are again basing your conclusions in a stereotype that doesn't actually exist.

What stereotype that doesn't exist?

The one you stated in your post responded to.

Put in another way, would you say that all Americans are religious fanatics because their secretary of war gave the speech he did this morning?

No, you wouldn't think twice about doing that and yet you don't hesitate to make the same blanket statements about all Iranians.

[crazy canuck]

Hasn't this been theme off and on in America since the 40s? Good save america and all that. Also, I vaguely recall FDR doing a whole pray for the troops thing.


Not saying hegseths not a douche.

I don't recall FDR requiring all Americans to pray to a Christian God.

[Valmy]

Hasn't this been theme off and on in America since the 40s? Good save america and all that. Also, I vaguely recall FDR doing a whole pray for the troops thing.


Not saying hegseths not a douche.

I don't recall FDR requiring all Americans to pray to a Christian God.

Well...he prayed all the time. Like he did a prayer over the radio during D-Day. But there is a difference. Also things have changed in 80 years.

[HVC]

FDRs radio broadcast

Prayer on D-Day
June 06, 1944
My fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far.

And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.

Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.

They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph.

They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest-until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.

For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and good will among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home.

Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

And for us at home - fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas - whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them - help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

Many people have urged that I call the Nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

Give us strength, too - strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

And, O Lord, give us Faith. Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade. Let not the keenness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister Nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

Thy will be done, Almighty God.

Amen.

[HVC]

I guess thr quibble is between saying you should and requesting you do it. I don't see it as a huge distinction.

Again hegseth sucks. But america has been weird with religion forever. It ebbs and flows.

[Valmy]

Heh. HVC and I thought of the exact same message.

And he did that from time to time during his fireside chats as well.

[Valmy]

I guess thr quibble is between saying you should and requesting you do it. I don't see it as a huge distinction.

Again hegseth sucks. But america has been weird with religion forever. It ebbs and flows.

Did no British, Australian, or Canadian politician pray like that during WWI or WWII?

[HVC]

I guess thr quibble is between saying you should and requesting you do it. I don't see it as a huge distinction.

Again hegseth sucks. But america has been weird with religion forever. It ebbs and flows.

Did no British, Australian, or Canadian politician pray like that during WWI or WWII?

Truthfully I don't know. I would hazard a guess that the king did, but he gets a pass as the head of the church

But the trend continued in America long after the war. Adding god to your money (which seems really sacrilegious ) in the 50s in religious anti commie zeal. Religion just (seems) to play a much bigger role in your politics. Only seems to pop up in other western countries when it's anti religion stuff. Banning hijabs and the like.

[Valmy]

I guess thr quibble is between saying you should and requesting you do it. I don't see it as a huge distinction.

Again hegseth sucks. But america has been weird with religion forever. It ebbs and flows.

Did no British, Australian, or Canadian politician pray like that during WWI or WWII?

Truthfully I don't know. I would hazard a guess that the king did, but he gets a pass as the head of the church

But the trend continued in America long after the war. Adding god to your money (which seems really sacrilegious ) in the 50s in religious anti commie zeal. Religion just (seems) to play a much bigger role in your politics. Only seems to pop up in other western countries when it's anti religion stuff. Banning hijabs and the like.

I cannot really recall any President since WWII actually leading us in prayer like that. Not even Dubya did that.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Both Hegseth and FDR are/were schismatic heretics.

[crazy canuck]

Hasn't this been theme off and on in America since the 40s? Good save america and all that. Also, I vaguely recall FDR doing a whole pray for the troops thing.


Not saying hegseths not a douche.

I don't recall FDR requiring all Americans to pray to a Christian God.

Well...he prayed all the time. Like he did a prayer over the radio during D-Day. But there is a difference. Also things have changed in 80 years.

And how's that responsive to my post?  Did he say all Americans, all Americans of the Jewish faith, all Americans of the Hindu faith, all Americans of the Muslim faith, all Americans who are Buddhists, etc., etc. Should go on bended knee with him and pray to his God?

No, I don't remember that ever happening

[Jacob]

Oh sure I don't think it matters much at all (if anything allowing the regime to get some fresh blood and maybe hardlining) at a practical or operational level.

But I think at the level of symbol and meaning - especially for a Shia theocracy given how central martyrdom and resistance are to Shia Islam - I think it's difficult to overstate.

I agree with you but also think it's being overcomplicated a bit. If Iran managed to kill senior leaders of the current Israeli or US governments it would be seen as an escalation. Even more so if they got Nethanyahu or Trump.

[Valmy]

Both Hegseth and FDR are/were schismatic heretics.

 

Exactly. We are way too religiously diverse now. Back during FDR's day over 70% of the population was mainline Protestant. Now it is like 33%.

[Valmy]

Hasn't this been theme off and on in America since the 40s? Good save america and all that. Also, I vaguely recall FDR doing a whole pray for the troops thing.


Not saying hegseths not a douche.

I don't recall FDR requiring all Americans to pray to a Christian God.

Well...he prayed all the time. Like he did a prayer over the radio during D-Day. But there is a difference. Also things have changed in 80 years.

And how's that responsive to my post?  Did he say all Americans, all Americans of the Jewish faith, all Americans of the Hindu faith, all Americans of the Muslim faith, all Americans who are Buddhists, etc., etc. Should go on bended knee with him and pray to his God?

No, I don't remember that ever happening

Just providing context.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Both Hegseth and FDR are/were schismatic heretics.

 

Exactly. We are way too religiously diverse now. Back during FDR's day over 70% of the population was mainline Protestant. Now it is like 33%.

Yeah, the country really was dominated by mainline Prots back then, I believe FDR and the Roosevelt clan in general were all Dutch Reformed (a denomination that barely exists now.) Catholics existed in decent number back then, but mostly kept their religiosity within their ethnic enclaves due to general hostility, a lot of people link greater prominence of Catholicism in public life to figures like Fulton Sheen and ofc the Kennedy clan.

The fire breathing evangelicals were seen as fringe weirdoes in FDR's day (something we should return to on that front.)