The Trump administration accidentally texted its War Plans to a journalist

[crazy canuck]

I know they often get portrayed as one big, happy, blue fash family, but I wonder when state and local law enforcement are going to finally have enough and start actively blocking the feds from doing shit like this.

I don't know all of the details, but it seems very possible that the judge is guilty as charged.

Maybe (and likely) there is a difference between US law and Canadian Law on this point.  Here a judge has absolute privilege and authority over what occurs in their courtroom.  The only avenues for redress if it alleged the judge did something outside their powers is through a complaint to the judicial council.

edit: also it would probably be a contempt of court here if law enforcement attempted to arrest a suspect in a court room while the person is in a trial for another reason. 

[Valmy]

I know they often get portrayed as one big, happy, blue fash family, but I wonder when state and local law enforcement are going to finally have enough and start actively blocking the feds from doing shit like this.

I don't know all of the details, but it seems very possible that the judge is guilty as charged.

I don't think so. But we'll see. But sending in the FBI and tweeting about it is going to have a chilling effect regardless.

[grumbler]

I know they often get portrayed as one big, happy, blue fash family, but I wonder when state and local law enforcement are going to finally have enough and start actively blocking the feds from doing shit like this.

I don't know all of the details, but it seems very possible that the judge is guilty as charged.

Maybe (and likely) there is a difference between US law and Canadian Law on this point.  Here a judge has absolute privilege and authority over what occurs in their courtroom.  The only avenues for redress if it alleged the judge did something outside their powers is through a complaint to the judicial council.

edit: also it would probably be a contempt of court here if law enforcement attempted to arrest a suspect in a court room while the person is in a trial for another reason. 

I'll again emphasize that I don't know the facts or the law, but it seems possible that she was not acting as a judge nor was she in her courtroom when the alleged crime was committed.

I think that it was highly likely that ICE escalated this as far as they dared because they "didn't like her attitude."  That's just the way ICE rolls these days.

[grumbler]

I know they often get portrayed as one big, happy, blue fash family, but I wonder when state and local law enforcement are going to finally have enough and start actively blocking the feds from doing shit like this.

I don't know all of the details, but it seems very possible that the judge is guilty as charged.

I don't think so. But we'll see. But sending in the FBI and tweeting about it is going to have a chilling effect regardless.

As was undoubtedly intended.

[crazy canuck]

I know they often get portrayed as one big, happy, blue fash family, but I wonder when state and local law enforcement are going to finally have enough and start actively blocking the feds from doing shit like this.

I don't know all of the details, but it seems very possible that the judge is guilty as charged.

Maybe (and likely) there is a difference between US law and Canadian Law on this point.  Here a judge has absolute privilege and authority over what occurs in their courtroom.  The only avenues for redress if it alleged the judge did something outside their powers is through a complaint to the judicial council.

edit: also it would probably be a contempt of court here if law enforcement attempted to arrest a suspect in a court room while the person is in a trial for another reason. 

I'll again emphasize that I don't know the facts or the law, but it seems possible that she was not acting as a judge nor was she in her courtroom when the alleged crime was committed.

I think that it was highly likely that ICE escalated this as far as they dared because they "didn't like her attitude."  That's just the way ICE rolls these days.

What I read in the NYTimes is that the alleged incident occurred in her courtroom during proceedings she was presiding over. 

[grumbler]

What I read in the NYTimes is that the alleged incident occurred in her courtroom during proceedings she was presiding over. 

What I read in the NYT was that the case was over and she was escorting him outside her courtroom to a side door to avoid the ICE officers waiting in the main corridor outside the courtroom.

According to the criminal complaint, the judge confronted the agents and told them to talk to the chief judge of the courthouse. She then returned to her courtroom.

"Despite having been advised of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores-Ruiz, Judge Dugan then escorted Flores-Ruiz and his counsel out of the courtroom through the 'jury door,' which leads to a nonpublic area of the courthouse," said the complaint, which was written by an F.B.I. agent.

[Grey Fox]

I never expected ICE to be the SA, expected it to be the Secret service.

[crazy canuck]

What I read in the NYTimes is that the alleged incident occurred in her courtroom during proceedings she was presiding over. 

What I read in the NYT was that the case was over and she was escorting him outside her courtroom to a side door to avoid the ICE officers waiting in the main corridor outside the courtroom.

According to the criminal complaint, the judge confronted the agents and told them to talk to the chief judge of the courthouse. She then returned to her courtroom.

"Despite having been advised of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores-Ruiz, Judge Dugan then escorted Flores-Ruiz and his counsel out of the courtroom through the 'jury door,' which leads to a nonpublic area of the courthouse," said the complaint, which was written by an F.B.I. agent.

You did not cut and paste the most relevant part of the NYTimes report

Charging documents described a confrontation last Friday at Judge Dugan's courthouse, in which federal agents said she was "visibly upset and had a confrontational, angry demeanor" when a group of immigration, D.E.A. and F.B.I. agents came to arrest Eduardo Flores-Ruiz, a citizen of Mexico who was in her courtroom to face domestic violence charges.

[grumbler]

What I read in the NYTimes is that the alleged incident occurred in her courtroom during proceedings she was presiding over. 

What I read in the NYT was that the case was over and she was escorting him outside her courtroom to a side door to avoid the ICE officers waiting in the main corridor outside the courtroom.

According to the criminal complaint, the judge confronted the agents and told them to talk to the chief judge of the courthouse. She then returned to her courtroom.

"Despite having been advised of the administrative warrant for the arrest of Flores-Ruiz, Judge Dugan then escorted Flores-Ruiz and his counsel out of the courtroom through the 'jury door,' which leads to a nonpublic area of the courthouse," said the complaint, which was written by an F.B.I. agent.

You did not cut and paste the most relevant part of the NYTimes report

Charging documents described a confrontation last Friday at Judge Dugan's courthouse, in which federal agents said she was "visibly upset and had a confrontational, angry demeanor" when a group of immigration, D.E.A. and F.B.I. agents came to arrest Eduardo Flores-Ruiz, a citizen of Mexico who was in her courtroom to face domestic violence charges.

That's because she was not arrested for being in the courtroom to hear the case. She was arrested because of what she did after the hearing and outside the courtroom. You are completely missing the point with your focus on Flores-Ruiz's domestic violence issues.

[crazy canuck]

I think you are missing the point, badly.   

[grumbler]

I think you are missing the point, badly.   

Well, you think poorly, but I'll leave it there.  The others here understand my point, I think.

[Valmy]

I never expected ICE to be the SA, expected it to be the Secret service.

Not enough members of the Secret Service.

[crazy canuck]

I think you are missing the point, badly.   

Well, you think poorly, but I'll leave it there.  The others here understand my point, I think.

Well, then, all I have to say is your country is very different from ours and I understand much better why your country is slipping into a fascist hell hole.

[Valmy]

Look I think we all get what grumbler is getting at. Ultimately we will see what happens, but I don't think the judge did anything illegal. She didn't even help the dude escape, ICE picked him up.

[grumbler]

Well, then, all I have to say is your country is very different from ours and I understand much better why your country is slipping into a fascist hell hole.

The two countries are very different.  In the US, a judge is not above the law. They can be arrested for crimes, like any other person (bar, apparently, the POTUS).