The Trump administration accidentally texted its War Plans to a journalist

[fromtia]

- the difference is there's a cadre of smart, ideologically committed people the rung below who think they've worked out how to "drive" Trump or use Trump to drive their agenda

Yeah also strongly agree , theres a lot of nit wits who look good on Fox, or say cool angry stuff on the internet at the top but there seems to be layers underneath. I don't think they are all on the same page though, I think theres a lot of right wing projects attempting to execute their wish list at the same time. They saw the oppurtunity to attach to Trump and took it. Silicon Valley also, although they are latecomers, but they might be the most important.

[PJL]

Well, it's arguably Eisenhower's fault as the British & French did try and get more control over the Suez Canal but then got slapped down by Eisenhower for being imperialistic and empire building.

[The Minsky Moment]

The only bright spot is who possibly wanted this chat to leak? That and talk of OPSEC is mentioned, so maybe the journalist was added intentionally or the person who did that was mislead by another into doing it.

Vance's comments in this chat are extraordinary on a number of levels.

First of all, he begins by disputing the decision made by his superior (the President) and suggesting that the Presidential order be delayed.  That is far far beyond the constitutional authority of a VP.

Second, he presents his message in a grandstanding rhetorical style does sound like he is crafting a message to be leaked to third parties . Although maybe that's just him being his usual asshole self.

Third, he displays a grotesque ignorance of international trade and shipping that would be funny were it not the fact that he appears have real influence in policymaking.  Waltz has to gently explain to him the basics of supply chains and container shipping routes. Vance is completely unaware that key commodities are traded on a global market and that supply constraints in one place impact prices elsewhere.

[Syt]

Second, he presents his message in a grandstanding rhetorical style does sound like he is crafting a message to be leaked to third parties . Although maybe that's just him being his usual asshole self.

I'm starting to think that he's always always always putting on a facade towards others.

[Razgovory]

I'm hearing the principles in this during the Senate testimony, and all they say is that they don't recall.  This didn't happen a year ago.  It was just last week.  Shouldn't they have better memory than this?

[Oexmelin]

Ironically, that's the real lesson for people who are self-conscious about their background when they wish to mingle within the Ivies. Everything becomes a relentless masquerade.

In more ways than one, Piketty was right to point to Balzac as a guide to our times.

[Zoupa]

Witkoff was in Moscow when the chat happened     

[Admiral Yi]

No. For me, your message was a segway to possibly discuss and comment the false equivalency of weighting the use of Signal to discuss military operations and Hilary's email server scandal.

To juggle our memory a bit, this is how Wiki (sorry, I've to leave soon) introduces its article on the subject: "During her tenure as United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton drew controversy by using a private email server for official public communications rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal servers. After a years-long FBI investigation, it was determined that Clinton's server did not contain any information or emails that were clearly marked classified."

This is how the article continues:

"During her tenure as United States Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton drew controversy by using a private email server for official public communications rather than using official State Department email accounts maintained on federal servers. After a years-long FBI investigation, it was determined that Clinton's server did not contain any information or emails that were clearly marked classified.[1] Federal agencies did, however, retrospectively determine that 100 emails contained information that should have been deemed classified at the time they were sent, including 65 emails deemed "Secret" and 22 deemed "Top Secret". An additional 2,093 emails were retroactively designated confidential by the State Department.[2][3][4][5] "From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification." "Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information."[6]"

[Sheilbh]

Yeah also strongly agree , theres a lot of nit wits who look good on Fox, or say cool angry stuff on the internet at the top but there seems to be layers underneath. I don't think they are all on the same page though, I think theres a lot of right wing projects attempting to execute their wish list at the same time. They saw the oppurtunity to attach to Trump and took it. Silicon Valley also, although they are latecomers, but they might be the most important.

Yeah - I have shifted a lot on Vance I didn't think he really mattered and I now think he's possibly the most important. I'm very struck by the role he's taken. I wonder if part of that is that lots of these seams on the right kind of converge on him. He has the Silicon Valley/Thiel side of things, he also has the nationalism, he also gestures towards a populism (not sure if I buy it) on other issues - plus he is, reportedly, very close to Don Jr so has an advocate in the family. But all of those strands of right-wing thought which is incoherent collectively kind of maybe converge on Vance?

Edit: Also I think he's just a bit more serious and thought through -even for me this is an exceptionally niche British analogy, but a little bit of the John McDonnell to Trump's Corbyn. To stick with niche British analogies - I think there'll be opportunity for the Democrats (if they can take it) in the pivot from "no downsides" to "the pain will be worth it".

Second, he presents his message in a grandstanding rhetorical style does sound like he is crafting a message to be leaked to third parties . Although maybe that's just him being his usual asshole self.

This example is a bit mad and different. But I think after the first Trump administration it would make sense to assume everything would end up being leaked - Maggie Haberman will report on it at some point.

It reminds me of the Tory party during it's long internal fights with numerous WhatsApp groups and everyone writing long messages rallying the troops behind/shiving the leader, because the clear assumption was they will be screenshotted and leaked to the press. I'd certainly have that as my operating assumption if you were working for Trump again.

Well, it's arguably Eisenhower's fault as the British & French did try and get more control over the Suez Canal but then got slapped down by Eisenhower for being imperialistic and empire building.

Yeah - I have enjoyed the unexpected Eden-posting on the British internet. I did not think I'd ever see a day of Eden-posting. A bit like Germans wanting absolute clarity over everyone being keen on them building up a large army to march across Poland and possibly fight Russians - I would like it in writing that the Americans consider Suez and the Red Sea a European security concern

Ironically, that's the real lesson for people who are self-conscious about their background when they wish to mingle within the Ivies. Everything becomes a relentless masquerade.

I agree - I don't want to be too kind on Vance but rather than a masquerade I think there is also something of the child of addicts in some of those character traits.

[Gups]

Well, it's arguably Eisenhower's fault as the British & French did try and get more control over the Suez Canal but then got slapped down by Eisenhower for being imperialistic and empire building.

Just reading a history of Vietnam war by Max Hastings who thinks it was revenge for Brits refusing to join in helping the French in Vietnam which Ike needed to get Congress support. No idea if that stacks up.

[Admiral Yi]

I'm picking up a real Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos founder) vibe from Gabbard's testimony.

[The Minsky Moment]

I was thinking Spaceballs.

"She's a bass"

[HVC]

I'm picking up a real Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos founder) vibe from Gabbard's testimony.

Crazy eyes?

[Admiral Yi]

Crazy eyes?

I saw a youtube that said an artificially deep voice is a tell a female is a pathological liar.

[Syt]

One more meme.