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Started by Zanza, October 07, 2023, 04:56:14 AM

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grumbler

#6150
July 31, 2025, 10:30:34 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 12:49:52 AMHamas hides among civilians.  We both know this, and they gain benefit from doing so.  There is no reason for them not to do this.

Members of the Mafia hide among civilians.  We both know this, and they gain benefit from doing so.  There is no reason for them not to do this.

In WW2, the escapees from Stalag Luft III hid among civilians.  We both know this, and they gain benefit from doing so.  There is no reason for them not to do this.

So what? Hamas commits actual war crimes regularly. All the murdered babies up to this point have not stopped them. What makes you think that murdering more babies will change anything other than the number of live babies in Gaza?

Is there any action at all that the Israelis could take in Gaza that you would say "woah! This goes too far"?
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Razgovory

#6151
July 31, 2025, 10:45:15 AM
Mafiosos and escaped POWs are not active combatants.  Stop being obtuse.  They fight among the civilians to protect themselves and so that civilians would get killed to win your sympathy.  And it is working.


I would rather the Israelis don't put everyone in a death camp.  
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

crazy canuck

#6152
July 31, 2025, 03:57:11 PM
Just the kids, got it
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Razgovory

#6153
July 31, 2025, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 31, 2025, 03:57:11 PMJust the kids, got it
Turns out everyone is a child in Gaza.  There are no adults.  Hamas isn't even there.  Nobody is actually fighting.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

#6154
July 31, 2025, 04:51:05 PM
There are a lot of kids in Gaza, it's a bottom-heavy demographic pyramid.
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HVC

#6155
July 31, 2025, 04:52:15 PM
IIRC 50% are under 18.
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Josquius

#6156
July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PM
This is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"
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crazy canuck

#6157
July 31, 2025, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PMThis is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"

Who don't wear uniforms.
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Razgovory

#6158
July 31, 2025, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PMThis is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"

Well, an abnormal number "children" who have been killed were 15-18.  Also quite a few of the women killed were named "Mohammad".  
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#6159
July 31, 2025, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 31, 2025, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PMThis is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"

Who don't wear uniforms.
It is weird that you and Grumbler dismiss one of the rules of war made to protect civilians.  
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Zoupa

#6160
August 01, 2025, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PMThis is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"

Well, an abnormal number "children" who have been killed were 15-18.  Also quite a few of the women killed were named "Mohammad". 


Source?

crazy canuck

#6161
August 01, 2025, 07:09:44 AM Last Edit: August 01, 2025, 07:12:09 AM by crazy canuck
Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 10:45:15 AMMafiosos and escaped POWs are not active combatants.  Stop being obtuse.  They fight among the civilians to protect themselves and so that civilians would get killed to win your sympathy.  And it is working.


I would rather the Israelis don't put everyone in a death camp. 

Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 31, 2025, 03:57:11 PMJust the kids, got it
Turns out everyone is a child in Gaza.  There are no adults.  Hamas isn't even there.  Nobody is actually fighting.

Oh there are people fighting all right. The Israelis are shooting people as they go to the food trucks. Palestinians are fighting each other when the aid drops occur to try and save their own family members from starvation. We actually don't have a good idea of all the violence that is occurring within Gaza to get food because the Israelis do not allow journalists into the territory.

And you defend all of this.
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Razgovory

#6162
August 01, 2025, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 01, 2025, 07:09:44 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 10:45:15 AMMafiosos and escaped POWs are not active combatants.  Stop being obtuse.  They fight among the civilians to protect themselves and so that civilians would get killed to win your sympathy.  And it is working.


I would rather the Israelis don't put everyone in a death camp. 

Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 31, 2025, 03:57:11 PMJust the kids, got it
Turns out everyone is a child in Gaza.  There are no adults.  Hamas isn't even there.  Nobody is actually fighting.

Oh there are people fighting all right. The Israelis are shooting people as they go to the food trucks. Palestinians are fighting each other when the aid drops occur to try and save their own family members from starvation. We actually don't have a good idea of all the violence that is occurring within Gaza to get food because the Israelis do not allow journalists into the territory.

And you defend all of this.

Right, and who is shooting the Israelis?  Who is reporting on this so you know about it?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#6163
August 01, 2025, 10:04:43 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on August 01, 2025, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 31, 2025, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 31, 2025, 06:13:06 PMThis is the bit where he goes "yeah but those 16 year olds are militants!"

Well, an abnormal number "children" who have been killed were 15-18.  Also quite a few of the women killed were named "Mohammad". 


Source?

I posted it a few months back. CC didn't like it.  The people who wrote it believed in democracy.  He preferred to believe Hamas.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

crazy canuck

#6164
August 01, 2025, 10:12:58 AM
Take a step back Raz.  You are now saying things you will not be proud of in the fullness of time.
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