Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

Okay, that is too much.

That person isn't even that fat. What a poser.

I didn't know that fat liberation was a thing.  Am I oppressed?

[Admiral Yi]

Trying to fight to defend your land doesn't invalidate your claim to the land.

What exactly are you referring to you when you say "fight to defend their land?"

[OttoVonBismarck]

There should free and democratic Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. That was supposedly always been the policy goal of the US.

Nope, that is over now.

[grumbler]

There should free and democratic Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. That was supposedly always been the policy goal of the US.

Nope, that is over now.

Indeed.  Israel wants lebensraum and it believes that every stolen bit of land is irreversibly its own.  Might makes right in Israeli relations with Palestinians.  At least they've learned the lesson that the Nazis and Soviets taught:  nibble, don't gulp.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Arabs control virtually the entire region, they have lost a small part due to 75 years of misbehavior. They will be fine.

[grumbler]

Jews live all over the world.  Israelis could easily forgo killing thousands of children by just leaving.  They'd be fine.

[Valmy]

There should free and democratic Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. That was supposedly always been the policy goal of the US.

Nope, that is over now.

Seems like it. So...what is our policy over there now? Seems like we don't have one.

[Valmy]

Okay, that is too much.

That person isn't even that fat. What a poser.

I didn't know that fat liberation was a thing.  Am I oppressed?

I have heard "fat acceptance" being some kind of social movement for awhile. But this is America, we have organically achieved this for all but the most extremely obese.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Jews live all over the world.  Israelis could easily forgo killing thousands of children by just leaving.  They'd be fine.

And there we go--the anti-Israelite reveals himself to be in favor of ethnic cleansing, a tale as old as time.

[OttoVonBismarck]

There should free and democratic Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. That was supposedly always been the policy goal of the US.

Nope, that is over now.

Seems like it. So...what is our policy over there now? Seems like we don't have one.

We shouldn't necessarily have a policy, frankly. It is a common flaw in American foreign policy that we assume we can use a mixture of varying types of soft power, a few drone strikes here and there, and expect results to map to what we want. The reality is this sort of conflict doesn't get settled that way.

American foreign policy should largely be to determine what is in our best interest, and a two state solution--which has been a true political fiction for about 20 years if not more, is questionable as a basis for American interest. How can our national interest be something that is fictional and not going to happen? I don't know the optimal strategy for America here, but I doubt it is blind paeans to the Jimmy carter thru Bill Clinton era Camp David stuff that imagined a future where the PA became a state.

[Razgovory]

Jews live all over the world.  Israelis could easily forgo killing thousands of children by just leaving.  They'd be fine.

This isn't the strongest argument you could have made.

[HVC]

Are you two purposefully missing his meaning in echoing Otto's point?

[Razgovory]

Are you two purposefully missing his meaning in echoing Otto's point?

He needs to stop doing that.  Or at least do it well.

[grumbler]

Jews live all over the world.  Israelis could easily forgo killing thousands of children by just leaving.  They'd be fine.

And there we go--the anti-Israelite reveals himself to be in favor of ethnic cleansing, a tale as old as time.

And here we go... the racist zealot reveals himself to be a racist to the core, unwilling to see any viewpoint but his own.

[Admiral Yi]

We shouldn't necessarily have a policy, frankly. It is a common flaw in American foreign policy that we assume we can use a mixture of varying types of soft power, a few drone strikes here and there, and expect results to map to what we want. The reality is this sort of conflict doesn't get settled that way.

American foreign policy should largely be to determine what is in our best interest, and a two state solution--which has been a true political fiction for about 20 years if not more, is questionable as a basis for American interest. How can our national interest be something that is fictional and not going to happen? I don't know the optimal strategy for America here, but I doubt it is blind paeans to the Jimmy carter thru Bill Clinton era Camp David stuff that imagined a future where the PA became a state.

Spreading democracy is one of our organizing principles.  It's one of the things that makes us great.