Israel-Hamas War 2023

[chipwich]

I KNEW THEY ARE PLOTTING SOMETHING.

[grumbler]

At Columbia University protests continue and Jewish students were told to stay home.  They're now doing remote learning this week.  It's Passover and Jews are forced to hide.  Again.

All students were told to stay home, not just Jewish students.  The whole campus went remote.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Actually Jewish students were specifically warned to stay home because campus was not safe, by an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who works there. The later cancellation of all in person classes occurred after that.

[grumbler]

Actually Jewish students were specifically warned to stay home because campus was not safe, by an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who works there. The later cancellation of all in person classes occurred after that.

The statements and actions of random individuals does not constitute university policy.  The university can cancel classes.  Random rabbi cannot.

[Razgovory]

Actually Jewish students were specifically warned to stay home because campus was not safe, by an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who works there. The later cancellation of all in person classes occurred after that.

The statements and actions of random individuals does not constitute university policy.  The university can cancel classes.  Random rabbi cannot.

And?

[HVC]

Your post made it sound like Colombia told them to stay home.

[Admiral Yi]

Your post made it sound like Colombia told them to stay home.

The two are easy to confuse.

[Razgovory]

Your post made it sound like Colombia told them to stay home.

The two are easy to confuse.

[HVC]

Your post made it sound like Colombia told them to stay home.

The two are easy to confuse.

[Razgovory]

Slogans heard at Columbia:

"We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!"

"Al-Qassam you make us proud! Take another soldier out!"

"Hamas, we love you! We support your rockets, too!"

"Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas' fight!"

"It is right to rebel, al-Qassam, give them hell!

Not that catchy, but Josq has told me that nobody supports Hamas.

[Josquius]

Harassment of Jewish students in NYC. "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10...100...1000...10,000...The 7th of October is going to be every day for you."
https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797

"this must be understood in context, it's not black and white, and antizionism is not antisemitism."

Homophobia and racism aren't the same thing .
You can still be a racist homophobe.

Which one is antizionism more like, homophobia or racism?

I bet you think this captain literal thing is clever.
But I'm glad that you seem to get the point that not everything you dislike is the same thing and that people can have more than one label.

Not that catchy, but Josq has told me that nobody supports Hamas.

Go on then. Show me where I did. Roll out the gotcha.
Odds are good you're again being quite Draxian or are throwing something out of context.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Actually Jewish students were specifically warned to stay home because campus was not safe, by an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who works there. The later cancellation of all in person classes occurred after that.

The statements and actions of random individuals does not constitute university policy.  The university can cancel classes.  Random rabbi cannot.

No one said otherwise. Raz stated that Jewish students were told to stay off campus—and they were.

[DGuller]

It's very misleading, though.  Just because some dude told the Jewish students to stay home doesn't mean that the dude had good reasons to do so.  And just because Columbia told all students to stay home in human usage of English doesn't mean that Columbia told Jewish students to stay home. 

Yes, technically they told Jewish students to stay home, just like they told antisemitic students to stay home, and just like they told all transgender students to stay home.  However, the common usage of English is different from how it's used in logic, and when you use a qualifying detail, it is presumed that it's not superfluous.

[garbon]

It's very misleading, though.  Just because some dude told the Jewish students to stay home doesn't mean that the dude had good reasons to do so.  And just because Columbia told all students to stay home in human usage of English doesn't mean that Columbia told Jewish students to stay home. 

Yes, technically they told Jewish students to stay home, just like they told antisemitic students to stay home, and just like they told all transgender students to stay home.  However, the common usage of English is different from how it's used in logic, and when you use a qualifying detail, it is presumed that it's not superfluous.

[The Minsky Moment]

To deescalate the rancor and give us all a chance to consider next steps, I am announcing that all classes will be held virtually on Monday. Faculty and staff who can work remotely should do so; essential personnel should report to work according to university policy. Our preference is that students who do not live on campus will not come to campus.

During the coming days, a working group of Deans, university administrators and faculty members will try to bring this crisis to a resolution. That includes continuing discussions with the student protestors and identifying actions we can take as a community to enable us to peacefully complete the term and return to respectful engagement with each other. I know that there is much debate about whether or not we should use the police on campus, and I am happy to engage in those discussions. But I do know that better adherence to our rules and effective enforcement mechanisms would obviate the need for relying on anyone else to keep our community safe. We should be able to do this ourselves.

Over the past days, there have been too many examples of intimidating and harassing behavior on our campus. Antisemitic language, like any other language that is used to hurt and frighten people, is unacceptable and appropriate action will be taken. We urge those affected to report these incidents through university channels. We also want to remind everyone of the support available for anyone adversely affected by current events.

There are different ways to interpret this statement, but it certainly seems like anti-semitic harassment was an important motivating factor in the closure.